Oberlin College case shows how universities are losing their way

Post by ThrowawayR2 » Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 8:47 PM UTC

clairity wrote: post #22

wl wrote: post #13

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I'll heartily endorse Legal Insurrection's coverage, but with the caveat that they've got a bone to pick against "social justice" and leftist campus activism. It doesn't seem to get in the way of them reporting all the relevant facts in a fair way.

interesting. opposition to "social justice" signals an opposition to fairness and equality, and theoretically should be rare. i wonder if it's the strain of opposition that sees it as zero-sum and resists (i.e., "if things get fairer for the disadvantaged, then i, as an advantaged person, must necessarily lose something")? or the strain that resists social normalization (e.g., i should be free to offend and belittle…

Post by AnimalMuppet » Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 8:48 PM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #21

high_derivative wrote: post #19

I am a grad student leaving university soon enough, and this does not surprise me at all. Especially at elite universities, there is this interesting phenomenon of mostly upper middle class white women from on average the most privileged upbringings in the western hemisphere arriving at a university they (anyone) could only attend by incredible privilege and luck. Yet they arrive fully convinced they have been held b…

People misunderstand the concept of privilege. You compare people from similar socio-economic backgrounds. You don't compare dissimilar groups. Those women are being held back when you compare to their brothers.

Post by Strang » Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 8:56 PM UTC

clairity wrote: post #22

wl wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll heartily endorse Legal Insurrection's coverage, but with the caveat that they've got a bone to pick against "social justice" and leftist campus activism. It doesn't seem to get in the way of them reporting all the relevant facts in a fair way.

interesting. opposition to "social justice" signals an opposition to fairness and equality, and theoretically should be rare. i wonder if it's the strain of opposition that sees it as zero-sum and resists (i.e., "if things get fairer for the disadvantaged, then i, as an advantaged person, must necessarily lose something")? or the strain that resists social normalization (e.g., i should be free to offend and belittle…

Post by ThrowawayR2 » Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 8:57 PM UTC

InTheArena wrote: post #27

clairity wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

interesting. opposition to "social justice" signals an opposition to fairness and equality, and theoretically should be rare. i wonder if it's the strain of opposition that sees it as zero-sum and resists (i.e., "if things get fairer for the disadvantaged, then i, as an advantaged person, must necessarily lose something")? or the strain that resists social normalization (e.g., i should be free to offend and belittle…

There is a form of the SJW movement that eschews “Liberalism” as basically being nothing more then the representation of the power of the oppressor rather then being a bedrock set of principles necessary for democracy and civil society. They have been vocal in demanding that those that would impress by any means (including speech) be suppressed and de-platformed or “canceled“. The systems that protect viewpoints that…

Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 9:00 PM UTC

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #37

InTheArena wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a form of the SJW movement that eschews “Liberalism” as basically being nothing more then the representation of the power of the oppressor rather then being a bedrock set of principles necessary for democracy and civil society. They have been vocal in demanding that those that would impress by any means (including speech) be suppressed and de-platformed or “canceled“. The systems that protect viewpoints that…

Not that I disagree with you (quite the opposite) but, please, let's not use that three letter acronym. It's needlessly provocative and is likely to derail the discussion.