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Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by oh_sigh »

jMyles wrote: post #25
oh_sigh wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, so you're walking down the street with a locked phone in your pocket. I send an Android Bluetooth 0-day payload to your phone. Nothing wrong with that, after all I'm just asking your phone if it wants to copy some bytes, and it says 'sure!'. Not my problem if your phone does something funky with those bytes. Now I have root, and copy off all of your pictures and private data onto my device. Nothing wrong with tha…

You've glossed over the important part. Yes, in a free society, it's my responsibility to be a ward against 0-days. This is the problem with unduly complex and / or closed source software and closed, proprietary hardware being in our pockets in the first place. To paint over these problems by restraining basic, fundamental speech (ie, you can repeat anything you know to anyone, specific contracts notwithstanding) is…

Ok - so in your ideally free society, pedophiles should be able to share child pornography freely, assuming they didn't create it?

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by ankit219 »

mosselman wrote: post #24
Scoundreller wrote: post #3

This is an old story. The update is the Spanish gov fining the league 1/240th of their top player’s salary (250k/61m) for abusing 10m of their residents’ personal technology and privacy. Another way of putting it is 1/100th of the team salary for the lowest spending team (250k/24m). Which, in-turn, spends 1/33rd as much as the top spender.

What are `(250k/61m)` and `(250k/24m)`? 250.000 euros per 61 months? How can that be expressed in a fine? 250.000 * 61? I am confused, sorry.

61M is the yearly salary of Lionel Messi. The top earner in Spanish League.

24M is the annual revenue of the smallest spending team in Spanish League.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by closetohome »

Scoundreller wrote: post #3

This is an old story. The update is the Spanish gov fining the league 1/240th of their top player’s salary (250k/61m) for abusing 10m of their residents’ personal technology and privacy. Another way of putting it is 1/100th of the team salary for the lowest spending team (250k/24m). Which, in-turn, spends 1/33rd as much as the top spender.

The part I'm confused by is how the Spanish government reacted more quickly than Google. I would assume the app and organization would be banned from the store before anything else happened.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by tsumnia »

xythian wrote: post #20
rolltiide wrote: post #11

> Spanish data protection agency claims that the app didn’t make [the use of the microphone permission] clear, and has ordered LaLiga to take down the app by June 30th So all they have to do is describe what it does and hope users don't uninstall it? seems lesser than getting removed from the app stores

I'm waiting for a company to start paying $X to the first Y people that passively find illegal streaming. Turn people into fully aware copyright cops on your behalf. You leave an app running in the background and it listens 24x7 for unauthorized sports broadcasts.

I've always thought that people would be more than willing to opt in to data collection services if they were paid. I gladly answer location questions via Google Rewards because they give me 10 to 50 cents each time. It doesn't need to be a minimum wage thing, just none of the subterfuge.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by will_brown »

daenz wrote: post #19
escapecharacter wrote: post #15

I’m really into the dark future of DRM enforcement drones flying around cities listening for illegal streaming.

It will be like red light cameras, where you just receive a ticket/bill in the mail, with a photo of proof of the date and time of the infraction.

The should be so lucky...PPV is a crazy industry in terms of structure but local ppv providers would send uncover patrons to bars to find illegal ppv streams and next thing a bar/restaurant knows they got served with a lawsuit usually for about $10,000 (for UFC events anyway).

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by Theodores »

slg wrote: post #21
escapecharacter wrote: post #15

I’m really into the dark future of DRM enforcement drones flying around cities listening for illegal streaming.

I am not sure how many people outside the UK are aware of this, but a similar thing has existed there for nearly 70 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_detector_van

One of those vans with tinted windows would make an awesome camper van. Clearly you would be geographically limited to the UK however if that van was quietly parked up somewhere then nobody would suspect someone was sleeping in it.

A vintage one would be cool too, probably a bit tricky in headwinds with that weight on the top. You could also watch TV pretty well just by watching what other people had on. Shame LCD flatscreens ended this nonsense.

Most people believed the vans were mythical and that they just had a map with a database. The vans - according to some - were fake, just to put fear into people.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by Scoundreller »

closetohome wrote: post #33
Scoundreller wrote: post #3

This is an old story. The update is the Spanish gov fining the league 1/240th of their top player’s salary (250k/61m) for abusing 10m of their residents’ personal technology and privacy. Another way of putting it is 1/100th of the team salary for the lowest spending team (250k/24m). Which, in-turn, spends 1/33rd as much as the top spender.

The part I'm confused by is how the Spanish government reacted more quickly than Google. I would assume the app and organization would be banned from the store before anything else happened.

An App Store isn’t going to ban a provider that its users want.

Though if soccer leagues can fine players, I don’t see why Google couldn’t fine its “players” too. I know they’re not the police/judge/jury, but should they be limited to a binary allow/ban?

State-intervention was definitely needed in this case.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by jMyles »

oh_sigh wrote: post #31
jMyles wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've glossed over the important part. Yes, in a free society, it's my responsibility to be a ward against 0-days. This is the problem with unduly complex and / or closed source software and closed, proprietary hardware being in our pockets in the first place. To paint over these problems by restraining basic, fundamental speech (ie, you can repeat anything you know to anyone, specific contracts notwithstanding) is…

Ok - so in your ideally free society, pedophiles should be able to share child pornography freely, assuming they didn't create it?

As a matter of maintaining mental health, I stop responding when threads devolve into "think of the children!"

I hope you can understand.

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