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The original poster said you were paying a “significant markup” for Apple computers and I specifically mentioned the $2100 iMac Pro - 16Gb 6 Core i5 with a 256GB SSD. Seeing the monitor by itself would be $1300. That leaves an $800 budget for an equivalent computer. So define “significant” and I’m Not building a computer myself like it’s the 90s flipping through Computer Shopper.
You can build a lot of PC for $800.
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The original poster said you were paying a “significant markup” for Apple computers and I specifically mentioned the $2100 iMac Pro - 16Gb 6 Core i5 with a 256GB SSD. Seeing the monitor by itself would be $1300. That leaves an $800 budget for an equivalent computer. So define “significant” and I’m Not building a computer myself like it’s the 90s flipping through Computer Shopper.
> I'm Not building a computer myself like it’s the 90s flipping through Computer Shopper. Maybe off topic, but... What's wrong with researching the market and making more edcudated purchases?
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So try to configure an iMac Pro level desktop for $2000 less. Don’t forget that the 5K monitor by itself is $1300. Also try configuring a workstation for $3000 with the specs of the Mac Pro. On the lower end, try configuring a desktop for much less than the $2100 iMac 5K.
Small nitpick, the Mac Pro and iMac Pro are 2 different products.
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Not even close. Sub $300 4k displays are TN panels, or cheap IPS panels with sRGB color gamut, horrible viewing angles, poor calibration, contrast ratio, etc. If you want to compare, compare it with something like Dell UP2718Q which costs a whopping $1500.
I think a better question is how many need the perfect monitor and how many could do with these "horrible" IPs panel. I am not a graphic designer, I don't really need the best of the best. But what percentage of the market do??
If you haven’t noticed, Apple doesn’t sell low end products. You’re not going to find a Mac with an “Intel® Pentium® Gold Processor G5400” with 4GB OF RAM for $349.
One of the many reasons I will not buy Apple. You're buying the brand, the name, not actual quality. I dont know what the exact percent is, but you're paying a significant markup on hardware for Apple vs, say a Dell, for the same hardware. Yeah, OS X is BSD based, but Dell will sell you the equivalent hardware for about half the price and guarantee it works with Linux (with support). I'm not a Dell fan, despite most…
Do we have to have this even on HN?
People are paying significant markup on Cars for BMW, Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, Bently. You could buy a Car from Toyota or Kia with Same Horsepower.
The thing is they are NOT the same. They never was.
I find this both fascinating and annoying how people can price something to zero and immediately think it offer no value to others while simultaneously think they deserve better salary or paid. Apple's products still deliver Better Build Quality, Better finishing, Better Trackpad ( I hate the new enlarged size, but still one of the best trackpad out there ) better software integration.
And if anyone wants to ask about Mac Pro price, try spec one out with Dell or HP Workstation and see how they compare. Apple isn't too far off.
The whole Workstation market operating on this margin, I have no idea why other they charge this because they can. But Apple's Mac Pro is quite competitive in its pricing. If all you are looking for is a prosumer, upgradable, Desktop Mac, the Mac Pro isn't for you.
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How often do you break your display? Are you carrying around your iMac to places? This is a poor argument against something that will just sit on your desk without moving it for months if not years.
Leaving it motionless on your desk reduces the risk, but you're still one relatively minor mistake from a broken display. If you're unlucky enough to have that happen, Apple products cost much more to repair. Plus, all of the design related breaks mentioned in the article.
It is like comparing and shopping for a car based on whether it will accidentally catch fire. Unlikely and there more things to worry about than breaking your monitor screen.
One of the many reasons I will not buy Apple. You're buying the brand, the name, not actual quality. I dont know what the exact percent is, but you're paying a significant markup on hardware for Apple vs, say a Dell, for the same hardware. Yeah, OS X is BSD based, but Dell will sell you the equivalent hardware for about half the price and guarantee it works with Linux (with support). I'm not a Dell fan, despite most…
>I dont know what the exact percent is, but you're paying a significant markup on hardware for Apple vs, say a Dell, for the same hardware. Do we have to have this even on HN? People are paying significant markup on Cars for BMW, Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, Bently. You could buy a Car from Toyota or Kia with Same Horsepower. The thing is they are NOT the same. They never was. I find this both fascin…
this is kind of an interesting comment. especially since you mentioned bmw. with bmw, you literally are buying a brand. i know at least two motorcycle dealers that stopped carrying bmw because bmw required very specific, and very expensive, signage, paint scheme, flooring, etc. to just be a bmw dealer, even if the dealer carried other motorcycle brands (which were typically high-end italian brands).
the new kia stinger performance destroys the equivalent bmw car, at a significant fraction of the price. not to mention the stinger looks better (subjective) and has insane fit and finish.
my kia optima has a better fit and finish and leather than any tesla i have been in. with those companies, you are buying a brand more than anything.
> Apple's products still deliver Better Build Quality, Better finishing, Better Trackpad ( I hate the new enlarged size, but still one of the best trackpad out there ) better software integration.
every apple product i have purchased has quit working. my iPad air stopped after just two years of babied operation. it wouldn’t even turn on or charge. apple wanted $300 to “repair” it after claiming it wasn’t a battery issue. my macbook pro’s wifi card stopped after just five years, and many keys barely work due to key failure. the bluetooth never worked with speakers (a common and well documented issue). the chassis would shock me in certain scenarios (another well documented and known issue by users). again, it was babied. my macbook before that required three unsuccessful replacements of the dvd drive before they replaced the entire macbook. my brother’s iphone 7s plus stopped the day after the warranty ended. apple did nothing. another friend’s iPhone 6s plus would just barely work, less than two years in, even after a battery replacement by apple.
and better software integration? not even close. iOS has been a travesty on the iPad in terms of integration. (just try to use multiple audio, music apps and see.) hardly anything about apple’s software just works anymore. i constantly had issues with audio software breaking after basically forced os upgrades.
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I think a better question is how many need the perfect monitor and how many could do with these "horrible" IPs panel. I am not a graphic designer, I don't really need the best of the best. But what percentage of the market do??
There is a difference between not “needing” expensive hardware and saying the hardware is overpriced compared to the competition. If you haven’t noticed, Apple doesn’t sell low end products. You’re not going to find a Mac with an “Intel® Pentium® Gold Processor G5400” with 4GB OF RAM for $349.
It's the same with Microsofts 40" Surface machines. If you let that define "The workstation" then no one has a real alternative to that.
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There is a difference between not “needing” expensive hardware and saying the hardware is overpriced compared to the competition. If you haven’t noticed, Apple doesn’t sell low end products. You’re not going to find a Mac with an “Intel® Pentium® Gold Processor G5400” with 4GB OF RAM for $349.
What Im saying is that this is a very niche market. Other companies are barely present here. It's the same with Microsofts 40" Surface machines. If you let that define "The workstation" then no one has a real alternative to that.
- An Apple product
- a 32 inch monitor with a 6K display for $6000
- that will probably be sold with a $5000 computer that is expandable to 1.5TB of RAM and a 28 core workstation class processor.
Which part of this discussion is not about a niche product?
On the other hand, the entire desktop market is a niche market. Most PCs being sold today are laptops.
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>I dont know what the exact percent is, but you're paying a significant markup on hardware for Apple vs, say a Dell, for the same hardware. Do we have to have this even on HN? People are paying significant markup on Cars for BMW, Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, Bently. You could buy a Car from Toyota or Kia with Same Horsepower. The thing is they are NOT the same. They never was. I find this both fascin…
> People are paying significant markup on Cars for BMW, Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, Bently. You could buy a Car from Toyota or Kia with Same Horsepower. The thing is they are NOT the same. They never was. this is kind of an interesting comment. especially since you mentioned bmw. with bmw, you literally are buying a brand. i know at least two motorcycle dealers that stopped carrying bmw because bmw…
2. macbook pro’s wifi card stopped. - I've had WiFi cards that never shipped drivers for the latest Windows OS, after just a year.
3. key failure - Valid, and pretty inexcusable by Apple
4. bluetooth never worked with speakers. - Bluetooth (below v4) never worked correctly between different brands, always had issues no matter what combo I used.
5. audio software breaking... well Windows are insanely great on backwards compability for apps, I'll give you that.
My point is that there will be issues wherever you go. I have a Macbook that is working after 10 years. I had a Toshiba that broke after just one year (soundcard). My family members have had two Dells that broke before reaching 2 years.
The only ones that have data points on this I assume are insurance companies.