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Opera 11 goes final

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Re: Opera 11 goes final

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Post by pkamb »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #29
pkamb wrote: post #26

After a quick look-over, I'll be sticking with Chrome due to two small UX issues that Chrome does exceedingly well: 1. Despite both having "tabs on top", in Chrome tabs extend all the way to the edge of the screen. In Opera, there's a small unclickable border area. This is a basic, basic Fitts' Law mistake that makes it so much harder to click tabs. 2. Chrome does that thing where when you close a tab, the "close" bu…

Opera lets you bypass the anachronistic 'tab' metaphor completely: http://imgur.com/XuMkx.png Use Ctrl-Tab to switch between tabs the same way you Alt-Tab between windows. Close a tab with Ctrl-F4, similar to closing windows with Alt-F4. Firefox with Vimperator does even better - t to open a tab to a url or search string, d to close a tab, Ctrl-n and Ctrl-p to tab between them. Of course, Chrome's Vim extension repli…

A trackpoint is my way of reducing mouse-keyboard context switching :)

Re: Opera 11 goes final

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Post by DougBTX »

pkamb wrote: post #26

After a quick look-over, I'll be sticking with Chrome due to two small UX issues that Chrome does exceedingly well: 1. Despite both having "tabs on top", in Chrome tabs extend all the way to the edge of the screen. In Opera, there's a small unclickable border area. This is a basic, basic Fitts' Law mistake that makes it so much harder to click tabs. 2. Chrome does that thing where when you close a tab, the "close" bu…

There was a brief period of time when the tabs did extend to the very top of the screen in Opera, but they changed it back to this. Presumably to make it easy to drag the window around.

I don't actually use the tabs to click on, so this is fine for me. I always switch by holding down my right mouse button and spinning the scroll wheel.

Re: Opera 11 goes final

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Post by w1ntermute »

siddhant wrote: post #13
budman wrote: post #4

The Best. Been a big fan of Opera browser for a long time now. There was a minor speed bump of bugs when 10.x first came out but starting at 10.10 it has been top notch. Once you learn all of Opera's nuances using any other browser feels outdated and not as well thought out for a user. Speed is right there with Chrome, built in mail/rss and now with the 11.x extensions there is no more excuses to try it. The little b…

> Once you learn all of Opera's nuances using any other browser feels outdated and not as well thought out for a user From what I feel, the average user doesn't spend much time learning a software's nuances. They just want to use the first thing that works in the first go.

And from what I feel, the average Hacker News user is not the average user, so budman's comment is quite relevant in the context of this site.

Re: Opera 11 goes final

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Post by clojurerocks »

benologist wrote: post #15

I switched to Chrome a couple weeks ago, I really love Opera and have used it for years, but it reached the point where it would take a full minute or two just to end the process after I closed the browser and 30+ seconds just to open it the first time. Drove me nuts, only happens on my desktop at least.

I recently switched to chrome from firefox as well for a similiar reason. Browsers are just getting too bloated. Although i just looked at their video demonstration of tab stacking which looks really cool. The problem is opera was even slow in the video which doesnt really make me want to use it.

Re: Opera 11 goes final

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Post by clojurerocks »

colanderman wrote: post #22
revorad wrote: post #18

I want to try and love Opera, but every time I try it out something goes wrong. Now, installing on Ubuntu I get: "Error: Breaks exisiting package 'opera-static' conflict: opera ( )"

Try removing opera-static first.

Did you uninstall opera first?

Re: Opera 11 goes final

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Post by [deleted] »

jodrellblank wrote: post #20

Install Opera 11, visit intranet page, get prompted for password. Search NTLM in config, it's got one option which is enabled. (That Chrome for business blog post yesterday got me to retry Chrome which supports NTLM automatically by default). Close opera, uninstall. Uninstall prompts that it crashed while editing preferences (it didn't) and offers to send a crash report. I wonder if I could get a job as a software te…

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Re: Opera 11 goes final

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Post by SkyMarshal »

jodrellblank wrote: post #20

Install Opera 11, visit intranet page, get prompted for password. Search NTLM in config, it's got one option which is enabled. (That Chrome for business blog post yesterday got me to retry Chrome which supports NTLM automatically by default). Close opera, uninstall. Uninstall prompts that it crashed while editing preferences (it didn't) and offers to send a crash report. I wonder if I could get a job as a software te…

As soon as you became a tester all the bizarro behavior would probably stop. I know this from experience :)

Re: Opera 11 goes final

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Post by hexiumvii »

I've been a fan since Opera fit on a floppy disk (3 or 4)? It has always been the fastest browser, except for the stinch in 9 and parts of 10. I've always had it installed and would use it along Chrome, FF, Flock. Eleven is just wonderful. Its fast as lighting, you can try this test, load up like 20 pages and close it. Now open it again, no 30 seconds of waiting for it to crunch it all up like in FF. Amazing! It also seems to respond more like it did from 6 and below where back mean truly instant redraw. Bravo Opera. Now we just need some extensions...

Re: Opera 11 goes final

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Post by thwarted »

oconnore wrote: post #24
mcrittenden wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's annoying to me too. I can't just hide all my tray icons because I need some of them, and the red O makes my desktop/theme look crappy since all the other icons are white (using GNOME with Orta theme + Faenza icons).

Yes, I understand that. You can configure the system tray to hide icons from specific programs. That way you have every icon except for Opera. The program need not include an option to hide it. Right click > Properties

There is no "properties" setting for the Notification Area applet in Gnome (at least in version 2.32.0.2, which is what ships with Fedora 14), which is what the commenter you responded to said he was using.
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