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New Evidence Suggests Satoshi Nakamoto Is Paul Le Roux

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Re: New Evidence Suggests Satoshi Nakamoto Is Paul Le Roux

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Post by nostrademons »

api wrote: post #24
nostrademons wrote: post #3

I'd still bet on Hal Finney, RIP.

If so that means the creator of the first true cryptocurrency is currently frozen in liquid nitrogen awaiting potential revival in the future, which is even more evidence that we are in fact living in a cyberpunk novel. All we need now is a Rastafarian operated space station at one of the Lagrange points.

We also have pervasive surveillance, drones that bomb enemies of the state at their weddings, social credit scores, masses who are addicted to their (two way, voice controlled!) telescreens, bionic humans with RFID chips embedded in their hands, reality TV stars running the government, people drinking green mush called Soylent, reusable rockets to colonize Mars, a cloud of Internet-bearing satellites surrounding the earth, and a cult of rich people who think time is going to end as AI takes over and technological progress accelerates to a singularity.

We are living in a cyberpunk novel.

Re: New Evidence Suggests Satoshi Nakamoto Is Paul Le Roux

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Post by mrkramer »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #22
mrkramer wrote: post #20

He is probably not Satoshi because Bitcoin was meant to be everything opposite of a currency for money laundering hence triple ledger accounting aka blockchain. After all see Bitcoin whitepaper and read carefully each sentence and you will realize it was meant for internet commerce and last thing you want in ecommerce is fraud and money laundering. On the other hand Craig Wright is the most possible candidate for Sat…

Craig Wright is not Satoshi, that is absurd. Research it more and come back to us. If he ever wanted to prove it he could easily do so by moving any of the early coins etc. Instead of his fraudulent signatures added after the fact and all his other shenanigans.

By moving Satoshi's coins he is not proving him being Satoshi, he is only proving that he has a private key of Satoshi's wallet. If I steal your Bitcoin wallet's private key and I move your coins does that mean I am you? Probably not. Craig said in of his interviews that he has a bank statement of bitcoin.org domain purchase so I am eager as much as everyone to see the bank statement.

Re: New Evidence Suggests Satoshi Nakamoto Is Paul Le Roux

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Post by gnode »

avs733 wrote: post #7

So sincere question...does this matter? What is added to the social value of bitcoin or cryptocurrency in general? I'm not asking to just dismiss it...just why we are perpetually having/focusing on this discussion is intriguing to me

> What is added to the social value of bitcoin or cryptocurrency in general?

Authoritative leadership. Nakamoto filled this role historically, and since becoming absent Bitcoin has faced a scalability crisis, and resulting loss of confidence leading to forks. Arguably this has prevented Bitcoin gaining greater use as a currency and payment system, rather than as an investment.

Founders often serve the role of a steward in open projects, and help give direction to development. Examples are Linus Torvalds, Larry Wall and Richard Stallman.

Cryptocurrencies in particular need a consensus on what is the canonical version of the software, so lack of authority is detrimental.

Re: New Evidence Suggests Satoshi Nakamoto Is Paul Le Roux

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Post by duskwuff »

mrkramer wrote: post #32
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Craig Wright is not Satoshi, that is absurd. Research it more and come back to us. If he ever wanted to prove it he could easily do so by moving any of the early coins etc. Instead of his fraudulent signatures added after the fact and all his other shenanigans.

By moving Satoshi's coins he is not proving him being Satoshi, he is only proving that he has a private key of Satoshi's wallet. If I steal your Bitcoin wallet's private key and I move your coins does that mean I am you? Probably not. Craig said in of his interviews that he has a bank statement of bitcoin.org domain purchase so I am eager as much as everyone to see the bank statement.

> Craig said in of his interviews that he has a bank statement of bitcoin.org domain purchase

Which still doesn't prove anything, beyond that he bought a domain name. (Or, to be even more cynical, that he got something that looks like a domain name purchase to show up on a bank statement.)

Re: New Evidence Suggests Satoshi Nakamoto Is Paul Le Roux

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Post by mrkramer »

duskwuff wrote: post #34
mrkramer wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By moving Satoshi's coins he is not proving him being Satoshi, he is only proving that he has a private key of Satoshi's wallet. If I steal your Bitcoin wallet's private key and I move your coins does that mean I am you? Probably not. Craig said in of his interviews that he has a bank statement of bitcoin.org domain purchase so I am eager as much as everyone to see the bank statement.

> Craig said in of his interviews that he has a bank statement of bitcoin.org domain purchase Which still doesn't prove anything, beyond that he bought a domain name. (Or, to be even more cynical, that he got something that looks like a domain name purchase to show up on a bank statement.)

He bought bitcoin.org domain in 2008 and by credit card. If bank statement says that then he can be considered at least being a part of Satoshi group or even Satoshi himself.

Re: New Evidence Suggests Satoshi Nakamoto Is Paul Le Roux

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Post by tptacek »

Evidence:

* Both Le Roux and Satoshi did significant cryptography projects.

* Both Le Roux and Satoshi work in C++.

* Wright claimed in legal filings to have been involved with Le Roux.

* Allegedly, Wright and a friend have built a cluster of computers to crack secrets, which the theory presumes to be the password for a TrueCrypt volume with Le Roux's bitcoin key.

* Le Roux has an alias, "Solotshi", which sounds like Satoshi.

* Le Roux published a short manifesto, long before Bitcoin, that echoes some Bitcoin principles.

* Satoshi disappeared at about the same time Le Roux was really kicking his criminal conspiracy into gear.

* A forum post presaging Bitcoin was posted from the Netherlands, where Le Roux is from.

I mean, judge this stuff for yourself. Independently: a lot of people want this to be true.

Re: New Evidence Suggests Satoshi Nakamoto Is Paul Le Roux

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Post by acapybara »

staplers wrote: post #21
mirimir wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I vaguely recall reading about Bitcoin development in ~darknet forums, during 2010-2012. But only vaguely, and I retained no logs. There were hints, I think, that developers were Australian. Edit: OK, maybe it was earlier. I did say vaguely.

Bitcoin was created in Jan 2009.. so the "developers" you are thinking of could have begun contributing after Satoshi

Correct. And the whitepaper was published in 2008.

Re: New Evidence Suggests Satoshi Nakamoto Is Paul Le Roux

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Post by mirimir »

staplers wrote: post #21
mirimir wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I vaguely recall reading about Bitcoin development in ~darknet forums, during 2010-2012. But only vaguely, and I retained no logs. There were hints, I think, that developers were Australian. Edit: OK, maybe it was earlier. I did say vaguely.

Bitcoin was created in Jan 2009.. so the "developers" you are thinking of could have begun contributing after Satoshi

I've been following cypherpunks related stuff since the mid 90s. But I've kept no notes or records. So I don't exactly recall the timeframe. But it was definitely years before the whitepaper. And as I said, I recall hints that developers were Australian.

Actually, perhaps I do have records. But finding them would be nontrivial. I have lots of old FDE drives. But no labels about content, for obvious reasons.

Re: New Evidence Suggests Satoshi Nakamoto Is Paul Le Roux

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Post by diminoten »

avs733 wrote: post #7

So sincere question...does this matter? What is added to the social value of bitcoin or cryptocurrency in general? I'm not asking to just dismiss it...just why we are perpetually having/focusing on this discussion is intriguing to me

I dunno, for my part it's interesting to understand that the person who invented Bitcoin also wrote TrueCrypt.

That's two "hits".

Re: New Evidence Suggests Satoshi Nakamoto Is Paul Le Roux

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Post by ramses0 »

nostrademons wrote: post #31
api wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If so that means the creator of the first true cryptocurrency is currently frozen in liquid nitrogen awaiting potential revival in the future, which is even more evidence that we are in fact living in a cyberpunk novel. All we need now is a Rastafarian operated space station at one of the Lagrange points.

We also have pervasive surveillance, drones that bomb enemies of the state at their weddings, social credit scores, masses who are addicted to their (two way, voice controlled!) telescreens, bionic humans with RFID chips embedded in their hands, reality TV stars running the government, people drinking green mush called Soylent, reusable rockets to colonize Mars, a cloud of Internet-bearing satellites surrounding the…

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