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IEEE Lifts Huawei Restrictions on Editorial and Peer Review Activities

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Re: IEEE Lifts Huawei Restrictions on Editorial and Peer Review Activities

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fallout from this will be, I suspect, that standards bodies will no longer be centered in the US. The historical leadership the US has in setting the trend for technology will suffer great damage. All for political ego.

Did you read article? The government said "no, we didn't mean that when we said this". IEEE overreacted.

Everyone is just asking for the government's approval without any public discourse or legal challenge. This effectively gives the government a free ticket to interfere international scientific and industrial collaboration without any legal process. It is a dangerous precedent. The real damage is not the government said yes or no in the specific case of IEEE and Huawei; it's the fact that a consequential decision could be made on a whim by an unstable president and his hawkish advisers with zero public discussion.

Re: IEEE Lifts Huawei Restrictions on Editorial and Peer Review Activities

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Even though the restrictions are lifted, the damage is already done. Now everyone knows that IEEE has to comply with US gov's demands, which can be made without any court ruling or due process.

>Now everyone knows that IEEE has to comply with US gov's demands, which can be made without any court ruling or due process.

What do you mean "now"? IEEE has a history of this:

>One of the world’s largest scientific societies has barred researchers in certain countries from publishing in its journals and receiving member benefits. The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers says it has taken these steps against scientists in Iran and four other so-called rogue nations subject to U.S. trade sanctions to ensure that IEEE staff stay on the right side of U.S. law.

>But other scientific organizations do not discriminate against scientists from these countries, leaving some observers to accuse IEEE of playing the rogue.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/9087784_IEEE_Under_...

Also:

In February 2004, during the final year of Khatami's presidency, the U.S. Department of the Treasury ruled against editing or publishing scientific manuscripts from Iran, and stated that U.S. scientists collaborating with Iranians could be prosecuted. In response, the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) temporarily stopped editing manuscripts from Iranian researchers and took steps to clarify the OFAC guidelines concerning its publishing and editing activities. In April 2004 IEEE received a response from OFAC which fully resolved that no licenses were needed for publishing works from Iran and that the entire IEEE publication process including peer review and editing was exempt from restrictions. On the other hand, the American Institute of Physics (AIP), the American Physical Society and the American Association for the Advancement of Science, which publishes Science, refused to comply, saying that the prohibition on publishing goes against freedom of speech.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_sanctions_agains...

Re: IEEE Lifts Huawei Restrictions on Editorial and Peer Review Activities

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

err that applys to any company/organization in any country. You just can’t break a countries laws and hope to get away with it. If anything IEEE was too quick to move, but I am not their legal team.

My guess is that most of restrictions on Huawei will be rolled back within a relative short period. However the damage this has done to America's reputation will stand for a long time and will impact some major strategic decisions not only in China but also in Europe.

The extension given to Huawei is due in August 19. My bet is that Huawei will be given another 3 month extension, which will line up with November presidential elections. After the election they will reach an agreement.

Re: IEEE Lifts Huawei Restrictions on Editorial and Peer Review Activities

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post #3

Good. That this at all happened should make them think about relocating to a country like Switzerland. They're supposed to be an international organisation.

Switzerland is neutral in arms only: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_neutrality Switzerland has numerous policy/economic/security/etc agreements with the EU.

I don't think that's a major issue as the EU isn't very coercive when it comes to these types of institutions. Has Switzerland ever coerced an institution into behaving the way the IEEE just did?

Re: IEEE Lifts Huawei Restrictions on Editorial and Peer Review Activities

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is that most of restrictions on Huawei will be rolled back within a relative short period. However the damage this has done to America's reputation will stand for a long time and will impact some major strategic decisions not only in China but also in Europe.

The extension given to Huawei is due in August 19. My bet is that Huawei will be given another 3 month extension, which will line up with November presidential elections. After the election they will reach an agreement.

Disregard my last speculation, elections are in 2020, not 2019.
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