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Re: Apple Plans End of iTunes

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Post by npunt »

mrgalaxy wrote: post #7

> Apple has pushed the iPad as a laptop replacement for years. But many pro users have noted that while the hardware is capable enough, the software is still behind. As other HN users have noted in the past, until Apple gives me access to a terminal where I can run the command line tools required for my work, I have absolutely zero interest in replacing my laptop with an iPad.

That's cool, it's not for you. I don't think they've ever suggested it as a laptop replacement for everyone - just general consumers.

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Post by chrisseaton »

ErikAugust wrote: post #26
chrisseaton wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because despite what everyone thinks again and again, music is not hierarchical, as a file system is. Does my album go under the composer, the conductor, the orchestra or the soloist?

It goes under Albums, no?

That was my point... you're not really using the filesystem. It's just a big pile of files if you stick it all in Albums. iTunes organises that because the filesystem can't.

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Post by scarface74 »

firasd wrote: post #22

Good move. I predicted this in my 'iTunes will never work well' post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12527098 "At this point, whatever the causes of the product problems with iTunes and related iOS apps — feature scope, management, team structure, etc. —we can be pretty sure that the only ‘solution’ will appear when this software achieves end-of-life, the same way that the mystery of how to set recording time o…

Yes iTunes “never worked well” even though at its height it was the number one music store in the US....

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Post by holy_city »

mrgalaxy wrote: post #7

> Apple has pushed the iPad as a laptop replacement for years. But many pro users have noted that while the hardware is capable enough, the software is still behind. As other HN users have noted in the past, until Apple gives me access to a terminal where I can run the command line tools required for my work, I have absolutely zero interest in replacing my laptop with an iPad.

I'm going to disagree about the hardware being capable enough, the memory and compute resources are too weak for professional uses where MacOS is the standard.

If the rumors are true and Apple is planning to abandon x86_64 for their machines to switch to the ARM cores for everything, I'm going to have to pry the mac pros running 10.6.8 from the cold dead hands of our users to get them over to Windows with modern hardware.

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Post by SomeOldThrow »

chrisseaton wrote: post #21
psychometry wrote: post #10

As someone who prefers to own music and organize it how I want, this is incredibly disappointing. I have no doubt that Apple Music will include only a fraction of the features I've come to depend on.

If you want to organise your music how you want, why were you using iTunes in the first place - an app which organises your music for you? Surely it was already not suitable for your particular workflow and never aimed or claimed to be?

> an app which organises your music for you

How do you figure? Itunes is completely unaware of most qualities of music, in fact nearly everything unattested in metadata.

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Post by scarface74 »

psychometry wrote: post #10

As someone who prefers to own music and organize it how I want, this is incredibly disappointing. I have no doubt that Apple Music will include only a fraction of the features I've come to depend on.

Rumors are that the desktop version of “Apple Music” is actually a strip down version of iTunes not a port of the iPad app.

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Post by cuddlybacon »

kvark wrote: post #8
nategri wrote: post #5

I remember when iTunes came out for Windows ca. 2003. I had friends with Macs so I leapt at the chance to try it for myself---it just seemed lightyears ahead of whatever I was using to interface with my music library at the time (Winamp, probably). And what a long, slow, weird, decline it's been since then.

Minority here, I never understood why music players shifted towards iTune-ish style of owning and re-categorizing everything in their own way... I mean, OS has a file system, why not just rely on it? Throw some searchable tags in, and you get the same abilities but without obscurity.

What do you get from having the OS filesystem do the organization?

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

mrgalaxy wrote: post #7

> Apple has pushed the iPad as a laptop replacement for years. But many pro users have noted that while the hardware is capable enough, the software is still behind. As other HN users have noted in the past, until Apple gives me access to a terminal where I can run the command line tools required for my work, I have absolutely zero interest in replacing my laptop with an iPad.

I go back and forth on this.

On the one hand: if Apple really wants the iPad to be a laptop replacement, there needs to be a way to do everything that a laptop can do. It doesn't have to be the same way; it might be a new way that requires a learning curve. (A lot of the "iPads suck because I can't do my work" articles I've seen really mean "iPads suck because I can't do my work the way I expect to be able to do it.") But if I literally can't do my work on an iPad, it's not a laptop replacement.

On the other hand: while I can't open a terminal on the iPad, I can open Blink and open an effectively persistent mosh terminal on my Linode. I have a Git client that can make a repository a document provider, letting text editors work with it directly. It's possible that there may be some things that the iPad can never do locally that I can still technically do "on the iPad," and that this may be enough.

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Post by rusk »

untog wrote: post #15
mrgalaxy wrote: post #7

> Apple has pushed the iPad as a laptop replacement for years. But many pro users have noted that while the hardware is capable enough, the software is still behind. As other HN users have noted in the past, until Apple gives me access to a terminal where I can run the command line tools required for my work, I have absolutely zero interest in replacing my laptop with an iPad.

You are in a tiny minority. I say this as a fellow member of that minority. But our complaints have (and should have) very little to do with what Apple does or doesn't do with iPads.

Except that you need developers to build an ecosystem and Apple is currently alienating them in droves. developers developera developers as a wise man once said

Re: Apple Plans End of iTunes

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Post by chrisseaton »

SomeOldThrow wrote: post #35
chrisseaton wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to organise your music how you want, why were you using iTunes in the first place - an app which organises your music for you? Surely it was already not suitable for your particular workflow and never aimed or claimed to be?

> an app which organises your music for you How do you figure? Itunes is completely unaware of most qualities of music, in fact nearly everything unattested in metadata.

I don't know how you manage your music, but when I use iTunes I just drop it on the icon and it gets filed away (organised) for me.
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