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A NY School District Defies State, Plans To Proceed With Facial Recognition Test

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Re: A NY School District Defies State, Plans To Proceed With Facial Recognition Test

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Lockport is an old factory town on the Erie Canal, not far from Buffalo and Niagara Falls. The population is about 20,000 people. North of the city is orchards and farmland, south are the outer suburbs of Buffalo. It's not a place known for high tech, nor is it known for high municipal spending.

The backstory of how this came about would surely be interesting.

Re: A NY School District Defies State, Plans To Proceed With Facial Recognition Test

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post #2

I look forward to hordes of teenagers pushing back against this - wearing hats, burkas, sunglasses, excessive makeup etc. etc. At least, I sure hope they will.

It's already against the rules to cover your face in many schools. Besides, if the system can't recognize you, you will be marked as absent - so the punishment for defeating the surveillance system is the same as the punishment for breaking the rule it's intended to enforce. Those teenagers are dependent on the civic involvement of adults, they can't save themselves.

In the 90s/2000s we were taunted with a nefarious “permanent record” that recorded all our evil deeds. Do they still use that on students? It even came up in a few Simpson’s episodes.

Somehow I haven’t seen anyone actually be negatively affected by this supposed record.

Re: A NY School District Defies State, Plans To Proceed With Facial Recognition Test

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post #14

I'm so glad I grew up during a time when you didn't have to worry about every single second of your life potentially being captured on video and used for some nefarious purpose. I can't imagine being a kid in this type of environment. Then again, many of the kids who will be unwillingly subjected to this probably aren't informed enough to understand the potential long-term consequences of pervasive surveillance, whic…

Paul Graham has an essay on how (US) school is mostly used as a prison

"Mostly used as a prison" is a mischaracterization of that essay. The paper identified analogues between prison social behavior and school social behavior, and hypothesized that this shows that these patterns happen whenever a population is put in a society without their choice.

Re: A NY School District Defies State, Plans To Proceed With Facial Recognition Test

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post #23

No problems from me. NY schools already have a security guard on duty that watches everyone coming and going through the front door. Its not always easy job, anything that can help them would be great.

Are you a student?

Re: A NY School District Defies State, Plans To Proceed With Facial Recognition Test

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post #18

The stated aims of the system are easily covertly expanded (and there is ample history to indicate that will happen) to turn the school into a panopticon, building a social graph and personality profile of kids as they grow up. To me this looks like an openly hostile act.

If it allows the school to accurately identify the most promising students it's worth it. How many kids with potential fall through the cracks now?

Re: A NY School District Defies State, Plans To Proceed With Facial Recognition Test

#38
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's already against the rules to cover your face in many schools. Besides, if the system can't recognize you, you will be marked as absent - so the punishment for defeating the surveillance system is the same as the punishment for breaking the rule it's intended to enforce. Those teenagers are dependent on the civic involvement of adults, they can't save themselves.

In the 90s/2000s we were taunted with a nefarious “permanent record” that recorded all our evil deeds. Do they still use that on students? It even came up in a few Simpson’s episodes. Somehow I haven’t seen anyone actually be negatively affected by this supposed record.

'Internet' replaced the permanent record' and now kids who act up enough to get news coverage end up with a permanent record of whatever they did.

Re: A NY School District Defies State, Plans To Proceed With Facial Recognition Test

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post #31

Lockport is an old factory town on the Erie Canal, not far from Buffalo and Niagara Falls. The population is about 20,000 people. North of the city is orchards and farmland, south are the outer suburbs of Buffalo. It's not a place known for high tech, nor is it known for high municipal spending. The backstory of how this came about would surely be interesting.

A plausible story is that Lockport is the county seat of Niagara County, NY, which has three land (bridge) crossings with Canada, and therefore has significant USCIS presence throughout the county. I can imagine a joint task force involving county law enforcement and USCIS. Most schools in NY State have armed police (“school resource officer”) present. They probably all go to the same sporting events, drink at the same pubs.

Nothing like a refreshing beverage and discussing pervasive surveillance technology for the youth of America.

Re: A NY School District Defies State, Plans To Proceed With Facial Recognition Test

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paul Graham has an essay on how (US) school is mostly used as a prison

"Mostly used as a prison" is a mischaracterization of that essay. The paper identified analogues between prison social behavior and school social behavior, and hypothesized that this shows that these patterns happen whenever a population is put in a society without their choice.

He literally call schools prisons:

"What bothers me is not that the kids are kept in prisons, but that (a) they aren't told about it, and (b) the prisons are run mostly by the inmates."

Source: http://www.paulgraham.com/nerds.html

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