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Wik-Bee Leaks: EPA Knowingly Allowed Pesticide That Kills Honey Bees

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Re: Wik-Bee Leaks: EPA Knowingly Allowed Pesticide That Kills Honey Bees

#31

Is there any reason these beekeepers can't sue Bayer and the EPA for the side effects of the pesticides? Couldn't such a suit call for an injunction preventing its use pending the results of the lawsuit?

My only guess is that the evidence provided was not legally obtained.

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#32

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Can you support a contra position? That bees are not significant pollinators? Please do not forget other Apidae family members - they probably don't benefit from pesticides either. Oh... Another reference: http://www.pnas.org/content/99/26/16812.full - you can check references [6,7] yourself. Edit: I apologize - since I did limit my rant to honeybees initially.

Honeybees are not native to the US. It would be odd to rely on a non-native species for our food supply.

Not everybody here is from US :)

My ancestors managed to create arguably the best bee btw :) [http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Apis_mellifera_carnica]

Re: Wik-Bee Leaks: EPA Knowingly Allowed Pesticide That Kills Honey Bees

#33

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Can you support a contra position? That bees are not significant pollinators? Please do not forget other Apidae family members - they probably don't benefit from pesticides either. Oh... Another reference: http://www.pnas.org/content/99/26/16812.full - you can check references [6,7] yourself. Edit: I apologize - since I did limit my rant to honeybees initially.

Honeybees are not native to the US. It would be odd to rely on a non-native species for our food supply.

Why would it be odd? When Europeans arrived they imported European agriculture and cuisine, most of which is non-native.

For instance I had pancakes for breakfast this morning. The eggs were from non-native chickens, the milk from non-native cows, the flour from non-native wheat, the canola oil I cooked it in from non-native rapeseed, and the butter I put on it from non-native cows. However all is not lost, I used maple syrup from native maple trees, and put blackberries in it that might have been native. (The baking powder and salt are chemicals that to the best of my knowledge do not come from animals or plants, native or otherwise.)

Edit: When I looked up blackberries I found out that there are several hundred species, and some of the popular ones for cultivation are not native. So I don't know whether that was a native berry.

Re: Wik-Bee Leaks: EPA Knowingly Allowed Pesticide That Kills Honey Bees

#34

Is there any reason these beekeepers can't sue Bayer and the EPA for the side effects of the pesticides? Couldn't such a suit call for an injunction preventing its use pending the results of the lawsuit?

They did sue Bayer in 2003, though for a different drug. The suit was thrown out by a judge in 2008. Info in this article:

http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/08/news/honey_bees_ny_times.for...

Bayer gets sued all the time and they are probably pretty good at working the legal system.

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Citation: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1702377/figure/f... In old days every farmer in our village had a beehive - the honey and pollination services were both much appreciated. My father has always taught me that killing a bee is a horrible crime.

This describes the important of pollinators, but honey bees are not the only pollinators. I don't see enough evidence supporting the case that honey bees exclusively are responsible for pollinating 1/3 of all food, nor that the absence of honey bees would reduce food production by the same amount (which seem to be the positions you have put forth). Can you support those claims?

Honeybees are so important that huge colonies are trucked around the US to pollinate fields.

Which is to say: they're so important that local populations of pollinators are inadequate to requirements, so they have to be supplemented by these mobile colonies.

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I don't understand how politicians are allowed to campaign with corporate money.

(I know this is naive, but) Corporations are made of people. All that money belongs to someone. So if those people decide to give that money to politicians, why does that make problems?

It makes problems because political hay can be made over how campaigns are financed. Most people want the gov't to have a large degree of control over how others conduct their affairs. Politicians believe that making reforms to campaign finance is a platform on which they can be elected. The issue is not whether campaign finance reform actually works, or improves the situation, the issue is whether you can be elected for promoting it.

People don't like the gov't but believe that it's a matter of who is in charge rather than the structure of the system.

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Don't worry. We'll lock down campaign contributions so much that only the six major corporations that control the mainstream media in the U.S can cover their campaigns. >Back in 1983, approximately 50 corporations controlled the vast majority of all news media in the United States. Today, ownership of the news media has been concentrated in the hands of just six incredibly powerful media corporations. http://theecono…

That's not actually true. It's more fragmented than that.

Really, it's not even close to that concentrated. Don't believe everything you read - I can think of several large media companies not on that list.

Re: Wik-Bee Leaks: EPA Knowingly Allowed Pesticide That Kills Honey Bees

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you support a contra position? That bees are not significant pollinators? Please do not forget other Apidae family members - they probably don't benefit from pesticides either. Oh... Another reference: http://www.pnas.org/content/99/26/16812.full - you can check references [6,7] yourself. Edit: I apologize - since I did limit my rant to honeybees initially.

Honeybees are not native to the US. It would be odd to rely on a non-native species for our food supply.

You have to realize that our food supply is a horribly unnatural beast, not reliant on anything "native" to anywhere. Native species could easily pollinate the amount of food required to support the Native American population in 1450 -- the New York City population of 2010, not so much.

Re: Wik-Bee Leaks: EPA Knowingly Allowed Pesticide That Kills Honey Bees

#40

Is there any reason these beekeepers can't sue Bayer and the EPA for the side effects of the pesticides? Couldn't such a suit call for an injunction preventing its use pending the results of the lawsuit?

They did sue Bayer in 2003, though for a different drug. The suit was thrown out by a judge in 2008. Info in this article: http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/08/news/honey_bees_ny_times.for... Bayer gets sued all the time and they are probably pretty good at working the legal system.

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http://www.thenhf.com/article.php?id=598

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