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Re: Ship spies largest underwater eruption ever

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Post by richjdsmith »

everybodyknows wrote: post #30

... gas trapped inside the black volcanic material. Sudden release of such gases has been suspected in the case of a number of sudden ship disappearances over the centuries. If a bubble's volume is large relative to the ship's, the ship will drop to the bottom as the gas forces water from under the hull. Then the surrounding seas crash onto the decks.

There is a no-sail zone quite near the coast of Grenada due to an active underwater volcano. The volcano is called Kick 'em Jenny and has sunk numerous boats over the years. On one instance it sunk a boat and killed 60 people.

Re: Ship spies largest underwater eruption ever

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Post by NeedMoreTea »

scohesc wrote: post #23
mwfunk wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone has a right to their own opinion, no one has a right to their own facts though. I get what you're saying but there are consequences to certain types of misinformation (ex.: anti-vaxxers). It's a complicated issue.

If you take away the right for anti-vaxxers (or climate change deniers in the OP's case) to talk about things on a public platform where they're actively ridiculed, they're going to go underground and create their own communities under the radar. Say someone goes to that community to try and convince them otherwise and says "hang on, vaccines don't cause autism, here's some research articles", they'll get banned and…

Great, let them go to their own communities. Time was fringe beliefs stayed mainly in the shadows. If you wanted to believe in a flat earth, or deny climate change there was probably some guy running an amateur newsletter you could subscribe to, maybe small scale meetings to attend. Those subscribing to a more mainstream view need never know or care.

Why should every reasonable conversation about climate, vaccination, and others give space to allow constant sealioning? It spoils every discussion and ruins it for those trying to discuss and learn in good faith - whilst entertainment for the troll lobbing the one sentence hand grenades.

> "If you take away the right for anti-vaxxers to talk about things on a public platform" vs "someone goes to that community ... they'll get banned and their post removed"

So you're actually advocating for the paradox of tolerance? They can moderate the discussion in their under the radar community to stay on topic, but the world in general should not and should just take the consequences and pollution?

Re: Ship spies largest underwater eruption ever

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Post by Spare_account »

GalacticDomin8r wrote: post #22
s_dev wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The onus is on the person making the claim to bring evidence to the discussion. "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissd without evidence" -- C. Hitchens Since the comment was removed or deleted it originally said something like "Underwater volcanoes are the cause of Climate Change -- prove me wrong"

Perhaps the only thing more absurd that original is censoring it and removing it.

Low quality comments are removed when flagged by enough people. It's actually a good thing.

Re: Ship spies largest underwater eruption ever

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Post by mwfunk »

scohesc wrote: post #23
mwfunk wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone has a right to their own opinion, no one has a right to their own facts though. I get what you're saying but there are consequences to certain types of misinformation (ex.: anti-vaxxers). It's a complicated issue.

If you take away the right for anti-vaxxers (or climate change deniers in the OP's case) to talk about things on a public platform where they're actively ridiculed, they're going to go underground and create their own communities under the radar. Say someone goes to that community to try and convince them otherwise and says "hang on, vaccines don't cause autism, here's some research articles", they'll get banned and…

I never said anything about people making laws about anything. And they do get laughed at, but then they claim that they're somehow being censored by all the negative responses they get. And none of it makes a difference. For a lot of people, universal condemnation on Facebook or Reddit or whatever is just further proof that they're on to something.

All I'm saying is that there's disinformation, and then there's harmful disinformation, and on top of that there's a recent trend amongst certain podcast listeners in a certain demographic to insist that allowing people to spread harmful disinformation as far and wide as they want to will magically reveal how fake and harmful it is to everyone. I don't know what the answers are, I just know the binary answers are wrong:

(0) The government should pass laws prohibiting free speech about stuff the government has determined is "wrong".

vs.

(1) If only everybody could just say whatever they want anywhere and anytime they want without repercussions, social pressures from Internet forums will make them realize how wrong they are! Because if there's one thing we've learned about Internet forums over the past 30 years, it's that they bring everyone together and magically help filter out truth from falsehood? Or something.

I don't have any answers, I just know that neither extreme is helpful, and I'm extremely not sympathetic to the likes of anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists.

Re: Ship spies largest underwater eruption ever

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Post by GalacticDomin8r »

Spare_account wrote: post #34
GalacticDomin8r wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps the only thing more absurd that original is censoring it and removing it.

Low quality comments are removed when flagged by enough people. It's actually a good thing.

You are free to have that opinion. I won't try to suppress dissent.

Re: Ship spies largest underwater eruption ever

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Post by anigbrowl »

everybodyknows wrote: post #30

... gas trapped inside the black volcanic material. Sudden release of such gases has been suspected in the case of a number of sudden ship disappearances over the centuries. If a bubble's volume is large relative to the ship's, the ship will drop to the bottom as the gas forces water from under the hull. Then the surrounding seas crash onto the decks.

Well that about wraps up the Bermuda Triangle for me

Re: Ship spies largest underwater eruption ever

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Post by toss1 »

GalacticDomin8r wrote: post #36
Spare_account wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Low quality comments are removed when flagged by enough people. It's actually a good thing.

You are free to have that opinion. I won't try to suppress dissent.

I find that the Venn diagram of

vs

do not overlap, and it is useful to distinguish between the two and to treat them differently.

To paraphrase Asimov, one person's ignorance (deliberate or not) is not equal to another's knowledge.

Re: Ship spies largest underwater eruption ever

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Post by gus_massa »

richjdsmith wrote: post #31
everybodyknows wrote: post #30

... gas trapped inside the black volcanic material. Sudden release of such gases has been suspected in the case of a number of sudden ship disappearances over the centuries. If a bubble's volume is large relative to the ship's, the ship will drop to the bottom as the gas forces water from under the hull. Then the surrounding seas crash onto the decks.

There is a no-sail zone quite near the coast of Grenada due to an active underwater volcano. The volcano is called Kick 'em Jenny and has sunk numerous boats over the years. On one instance it sunk a boat and killed 60 people.

Wikipedia link for the lazy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kick_%27em_Jenny#Maritime_excl... The part about the "sinking hazard" has a [citation needed] anyway. The Spanish version look more concerned about eruptions than bubbles, and says that when they detect unusual activity the radius is increased from 1 mile to 3 miles.

Re: Ship spies largest underwater eruption ever

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Post by MeltySmelty »

Mc_Big_G wrote: post #7
cakeface wrote: post #2

Underwater volcanoes are responsible for climate change. Prove me wrong.

It's hilarious that someone can look at the data about man-made CO2 emissions and still be a denier. WTF

It's hilarious that someone can look at the data about man-made CO2 emissions and still be a believer. WTF
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