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Living In A Van in Google's Backyard

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Re: Living In A Van in Google's Backyard

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If only people would move to other places when there's no space somewhere. Oh well.

No space? Yet I'm driving on 280 every morning and all I see are green fields. Yet 75% of San Francisco land has zoning rules that prevent buildings of more than 2 stories. What you really meant is: no space for you, I got mine

If you filled every damn square inch of that space with 5 story apartments, your commute would go from 3 hours to 45 days.

Re: Living In A Van in Google's Backyard

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A lot of sentiment here around "housing is the root of all these problems", but isn't it also the problem of these companies creating offices in communities that can't support them? Given there are a lot of places that offices could be built that could support the employees, I think some of this responsibility lies with the companies who consciously keep their offices in locations that may cause their employees (not…

Companies put their offices in expensive cities because that’s where most of the people who work for them want to live. If Google decided to move their HQ to rural Kansas tomorrow, most of the company would quit overnight.

Re: Living In A Van in Google's Backyard

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A lot of sentiment here around "housing is the root of all these problems", but isn't it also the problem of these companies creating offices in communities that can't support them? Given there are a lot of places that offices could be built that could support the employees, I think some of this responsibility lies with the companies who consciously keep their offices in locations that may cause their employees (not…

Would you rather people, jobs, and an economic powerhouse of an industry move away or just build more housing? It's not like the software industry is a monolith, it's a collection of people and companies who have decided the network effect of moving to a high cost place with a lot of engineering talent is better than the alternatives. It's hard to move that inertia somewhere else.

Then there's the serious question of where would the industry go? So many cities are so NIMBY controlled in this country (although SF is up there with the worst) that not many places are better.

Re: Living In A Van in Google's Backyard

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only people would move to other places when there's no space somewhere. Oh well.

No space? Yet I'm driving on 280 every morning and all I see are green fields. Yet 75% of San Francisco land has zoning rules that prevent buildings of more than 2 stories. What you really meant is: no space for you, I got mine

Still not the point.. the world is big why on earth would you obsess on SV to the point of impacting your living condition ?

Re: Living In A Van in Google's Backyard

#35
post #5

The community can do something: * Build more housing. The tech companies can do something: * Build offices in more places That's it. That's the whole plan.

Local and state regulations have the housing market locked down. That leaves option B, and I really don't understand why more companies aren't doing that.

Local and state regulations are controlled by "the community" so that is option A.

Re: Living In A Van in Google's Backyard

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A lot of sentiment here around "housing is the root of all these problems", but isn't it also the problem of these companies creating offices in communities that can't support them? Given there are a lot of places that offices could be built that could support the employees, I think some of this responsibility lies with the companies who consciously keep their offices in locations that may cause their employees (not…

Companies put their offices in expensive cities because that’s where most of the people who work for them want to live. If Google decided to move their HQ to rural Kansas tomorrow, most of the company would quit overnight.

Google isn't in Kansas because Kansas isn't silicon valley. Google is in Mountain View because it's down the road from Stanford.

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I think you just invented apartments, which would need residential zoning, which is already the problem.

Apartments on wheels != traditional apartment.

I'm doubt the regressive city council will appreciate that nuance.

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"We will pretend to be a suburb in 1957 forever" —Mountain View and Palo Alto zoning board

Yup. As much as I love federalism here in the US, the housing crisis is directly caused by local NIMBY governments who refuse to accommodate housing needs. The only way I see this changing in the US (since it's afflicting every growing city), is some sort of federal subsidy for dense housing.

If the federal government adopted California housing policy it would spread the disease everyone.

At least this way california loses residents to other states that dont have such regressive policies. What will change this in california is an economic crisis.

Re: Living In A Van in Google's Backyard

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"Every increase in the real wealth of the society, every increase in the quantity of useful labour employed within it, tends indirectly to raise the real rent of land." -Adam Smith, "The Wealth Of Nations" Book I, XI. Of the Rent of Land, Conclusion https://www.bartleby.com/10/111.html

Henry George has better land value models. I truly believe california has it all wrong talking about housing: people asking for more construction don't understand what is going on when they campaign for that, and people that complaing about boards also dont understand it. California does not need housing reform, it needs tax reform.

I became interested in Georgist tax models a few years ago but at one point I came across something that didn't seem to be Georgist exactly but perhaps a later modification that seemed terrifying. The idea was that you were responsible to tell the tax authority what the taxable value of your land was. The catch was that anyone could come and (forcibly?) purchase the land at that price. It struck me as an incredibly dangerous and almost Orwellian version of the "make me move!" concept. You have to decide at what price you'd be willing to sell essentially and then you'd pay taxes on that assessed value. I found it deeply disturbing but I have never been able to find any additional information about the proposal. Of course I think we'll probably colonize Jupiter before we'd ever adopt a model like that in the U.S. but it really was fascinating to contemplate.
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