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Abdication, Succession and Japan’s Imperial Future: An Emperor’s Dilemma

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Re: Abdication, Succession and Japan’s Imperial Future: An Emperor’s Dilemma

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its 2019 and people in developed countries still care about (and support with their taxes) kings, queens, emperors and such?!

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to Hacker News? The discussion that results is generic, shallow, and boring.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Abdication, Succession and Japan’s Imperial Future: An Emperor’s Dilemma

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Off the top of my head, most Western European monarchs headed governments in exile on the side of the allied powers, where are you getting that a great many sided with the wrong side of history?

Italy, Germany, Greece, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia and more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_monarchies#Mode...

Germany was not a monarchy during ww2. The Italian king fought for both axis and allies (and joining the allies was a big reason why he was voted out after the war). Yugoslavia was invaded by the axis, as was Greece.

Re: Abdication, Succession and Japan’s Imperial Future: An Emperor’s Dilemma

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its 2019 and people in developed countries still care about (and support with their taxes) kings, queens, emperors and such?!

You're very well aware this occurs. Are you trying to ask why, or to make some social commentary, or were you just deploying snark?

I don't think it necessarily reflects what people think, average folks can do very little to shape the narrative.

Re: Abdication, Succession and Japan’s Imperial Future: An Emperor’s Dilemma

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Not exactly; notice the following passage: > What is striking is that 74% have no objection to the offspring of a woman emperor succeeding to the throne. If this were to happen, it would be an historical first. Women have succeeded to the throne, but they have been succeeded in turn by offspring of an earlier male emperor. Every emperor (in theory) has been able to trace their ancestry back to the sun goddess through…

> sun goddess > paternal line Hmmm. I mean, I guess it depends whether you count her sons as the first generation or not, but still, why would deity-ness (is there a better word for this? Deism?) pass from her to her sons and thence only to their sons?

same reason all humans can trace themselves back to the first genetic goop which derived from abiogenesis.

Re: Abdication, Succession and Japan’s Imperial Future: An Emperor’s Dilemma

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In the UK I think about 70% of people support the Queen, our head of state. How many people in the US support their head of state? Less than 50%. In practice, it seems to work well for us. We get a representative that most people support. The US republic fails to do that and their representative is always deeply divisive.

The queen is not your representative, but you are all her “subjects”. She is literally above the law and is thus, by law, some kind of “higher” human than others, which is hilarious. I actually respect your current queen, Elizabeth 2, a person - she is doing great given the situation she was born into . But I despise royals as an institution of power and priveledge.

> you are all her “subjects”

This is not true - very few people are subjects.

https://www.gov.uk/types-of-british-nationality/british-subj...

Re: Abdication, Succession and Japan’s Imperial Future: An Emperor’s Dilemma

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Not exactly; notice the following passage: > What is striking is that 74% have no objection to the offspring of a woman emperor succeeding to the throne. If this were to happen, it would be an historical first. Women have succeeded to the throne, but they have been succeeded in turn by offspring of an earlier male emperor. Every emperor (in theory) has been able to trace their ancestry back to the sun goddess through…

> sun goddess > paternal line Hmmm. I mean, I guess it depends whether you count her sons as the first generation or not, but still, why would deity-ness (is there a better word for this? Deism?) pass from her to her sons and thence only to their sons?

Divinity. And because, well, that’s how it works. That’s the very nature of tradition, especially religious tradition; it is because it is.

Re: Abdication, Succession and Japan’s Imperial Future: An Emperor’s Dilemma

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> There is, after all, ample precedent for this: women have succeeded to the throne on ten previous occasions > [When this comes to pass,] the emperor system, which depends on an unbroken line of male heirs, will collapse. These two statements seem to be in conflict.

Per wikipedia it's a patrilineal system, where women are eligible to succeed to the throne but their children aren't. So there have been empresses, but the imperial line itself is still (ostensibly) an unbroken series of male heirs. > On some occasions [of a reigning empress], the direct male heir was only a toddler and unable to perform the imperial rituals. In such an instance, his mother, aunt or elder sister, if…

Notably there have only been two reigning empresses since the 8th Century and none at all in the modern era. The current Imperial Household Law only allows males to ascend the throne, so they were in real trouble 10 or 15 years back before the birth of the current Emperor's nephew who is now 2nd in line to the throne. The succession is not fixed by the constitution, so they could change the law any time they like. But they probably won't unless they have to.

Re: Abdication, Succession and Japan’s Imperial Future: An Emperor’s Dilemma

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its 2019 and people in developed countries still care about (and support with their taxes) kings, queens, emperors and such?!

I wonder, of civilizations that have lasted the longest, which ones had kings, queens, emperors and such versus the opposite?

The Republic of Venice was a rare exception in a world of kings/queens/emperors - and also exceptionally stable, prosperous, and quite possibly (depending on how one regards the Meiji Restoration, to return to topic) the long-lasting nation state in history.

Re: Abdication, Succession and Japan’s Imperial Future: An Emperor’s Dilemma

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not exactly; notice the following passage: > What is striking is that 74% have no objection to the offspring of a woman emperor succeeding to the throne. If this were to happen, it would be an historical first. Women have succeeded to the throne, but they have been succeeded in turn by offspring of an earlier male emperor. Every emperor (in theory) has been able to trace their ancestry back to the sun goddess through…

> sun goddess > paternal line Hmmm. I mean, I guess it depends whether you count her sons as the first generation or not, but still, why would deity-ness (is there a better word for this? Deism?) pass from her to her sons and thence only to their sons?

I mean, the real answer is probably that the rules were developed in the context of a patriarchal culture. But they're hardly alone; many countries have historically practiced agnatic primogeniture which works quite similarly.
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