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Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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> it's harder to discover channels. IRC never had any channel discovery, so how does modern breed of group chats make channel discovery harder? IRC does make a lot of things we now take for granted harder (file/image/video sharing, search, persistent history, mobile support...)

> IRC never had any channel discovery wot? It didn't have server discovery, but once you connected to a server, you could definitely discover channels.

I remember back in the days of IRC being megapopular, a lot of servers would kick me out because they had too many channels and listing them triggered flood protection :-P

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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At least your friends don't need a whole lot of instruction to join. Inserting pictures is pretty easy. And it's mobile.

I remember IRC in the late 90s, early 2000s having A LOT (like 9 out of 10) of people who otherwise had no idea about computers (remember droves of people disconnecting after 'Press Alt+F4 to get @'?). People who didn't knew the difference between a file and a directory (or folder) were on IRC with channels having hundreds of people. If someone can figure out Facebook (and trust me, Facebook is far from intuitive for…

Your point about Facebook is spot on, if you have never used it before it's a nightmare

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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At least your friends don't need a whole lot of instruction to join. Inserting pictures is pretty easy. And it's mobile.

You can use irccloud and you got irc on mobile, with easy picture integration and you don't miss messages when not online. (Like slack/discord).

HN has a very strange hate/love relationship with modern chat systems.

Slack/Discord/whatever: they are proprietary, they are closed-source, they are bad.

IRCCloud (which is proprietary, closed source etc.): oh, it's so good, use it.

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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I had that thought for months. I'll give you my business Idea for free for the next big social network, since I'd rather work on my game development: Chats based on hashtags. Are you watching the newest Game of Thrones ? Just search for #gameofthrones and enter the chat to talk with others. Chats go bad once too many people participate, so you split chats into channels of ~50. You can upvote messages and once they re…

I think part of the allure of private chats is that it's you & a small group of people who actually know each other - having a free-for-all and just splitting rooms up doesn't engender a feeling of togetherness any more than going to a random gathering of people with a single 'banner' topic. Twitter almost has the hashtag thing down.

Human social groups have a purported manageable upper limit of around 150 people, so super mass networks like insta, facebook, twitter etc also get to 'broadcast' level interactions rather than intimate discussions - it seems as though private group chats are a way to have a digital campfire, with less pressure & more shared experience.

There's so much behind building a social network that it takes a perfect mix of luck, timing, skill & marketing. But they will continue to come, won't they.

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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When I hit my early 30s a few years ago all my friends moved away and had kids. Getting them together even in a virtual form to do anything in a synchronous way has become basically impossible - it leaves me longing for the days of AIM and IRC when it was very easy to make friends online. I haven’t had a decent conversation with a stranger in years.

Its still easy to make friends online. Maybe you changed.

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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30 years later and we have reinvented IRC, but worse as you can't use your own client, the protocol may not be public and it's harder to discover channels.

> it's harder to discover channels. IRC never had any channel discovery, so how does modern breed of group chats make channel discovery harder? IRC does make a lot of things we now take for granted harder (file/image/video sharing, search, persistent history, mobile support...)

I think Op referred to /list

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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Two years ago, I've became disillusioned about the current status of web communities and culture. Basically I was thinking that, the web culture, once hailed as the center of out-of-box thinking, creativity, weird subcultures, e.g. Something Awful and early 4chan, was dying. Of course it has the good, the bad and the ugly, but now it seems increasingly boring.

For example, text boards and forums? Mostly dead. Imageboards? Even small sites dedicated to a particular obscure subculture are dying, the biggest ones are mostly ideological nonsense. Blogs? It no longer has a visible and influential blogosphere. Reddit? Primarily newsfeed and links. Also, lots of communities I was interested in was going downhill. Twitter? Lots of interesting things was happening in the beginning, but nowadays it's a mainstream walled garden, etc.

Even Hacker News had:

* I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore

http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/05/i-dont-know-how-to-waste-...

So I asked a friend online. He was once active in a technical community and specialized in writing tropes and jokes, but already stopped posting for a while.

I asked: What are you doing nowadays?

He answered: Busy works.

Then I told him my all of my perceptions I mentioned, and asked him: what the heck is going on for web communities? what is the future? what are the places where interesting things are produced nowadays?

He answered: I think it has returned back to the era of chatrooms.

I've realized his judgement cannot be too correct after seeing this article on HN.

Pretty much. I've heard a lot of activities is now happening on Discord servers, especially for gaming, it's almost the role IRC played in the early 2000s. Telegram also has many interesting groups and those dramas and incidents are coming on a weekly basis! I believe the chatroom would be a breeding group for the next wave of web communities.

In short, I guess we've just completed a full circle.

Unfortunately, what it means to me is:

(1) All the legacy of the previous web communities needs to be thrown away.

(2) It may take years for the new communities to recreate some interesting aspects of the old web communities had, and by the time you've rediscovered it, it would be too late.

(3) Most protocols and services and proprietary. Now a even bigger walled-garden is coming.

(4) I cannot be happy enough to see that Hacker News is still going strong. Registering an account was a correct decision. I think Hacker News is largely playing a role of the Usenet newsgroups, but in disguise as a news website. It may not be as effective as forums, but is working pretty well.

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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post #20

When I hit my early 30s a few years ago all my friends moved away and had kids. Getting them together even in a virtual form to do anything in a synchronous way has become basically impossible - it leaves me longing for the days of AIM and IRC when it was very easy to make friends online. I haven’t had a decent conversation with a stranger in years.

Its still easy to make friends online. Maybe you changed.

Could you make a step-by-step guide?

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can use irccloud and you got irc on mobile, with easy picture integration and you don't miss messages when not online. (Like slack/discord).

HN has a very strange hate/love relationship with modern chat systems. Slack/Discord/whatever: they are proprietary, they are closed-source, they are bad. IRCCloud (which is proprietary, closed source etc.): oh, it's so good, use it.

use The Lounge if you want to host something like that yourself, it is open source. I like it. https://thelounge.chat/
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