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FCC Chairman Proposes Robocall Blocking by Default

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Re: FCC Chairman Proposes Robocall Blocking by Default

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I agree it's dysfunctional. "We're going to block some people off from the phone lines because we don't think they ought to be making calls" is exactly the kind of policy that should be heavily scrutinized.

That policy wouldn't be about blocking people from making calls. It'd be about allowing TOOLS that let USERS block unwanted calls.

It says it is about tools that "allow phone companies to block unwanted calls" (emphasis mine). So the one wielding the tool is the phone company. It's unclear whether users can opt out of the default. It's also unclear whether "unwanted" is defined with respect to the user or the company.

Re: FCC Chairman Proposes Robocall Blocking by Default

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably they would be blocking it on the consumer's behalf, with the consumer's consent, through an opt-in program.

And wouldn’t they, presumably, expect to be compensated for providing this convenience?

> And wouldn’t they, presumably, expect to be compensated for providing this convenience?

Maybe. I think, though, that there is growing understanding that consumers may just opt out of the phone system altogether if something isn't done.

Re: FCC Chairman Proposes Robocall Blocking by Default

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How will this be implemented from a technology and policy perspective? The idea is one I am definitely supportive of. My phone rarely comes out of DnD now because of the robocallers. But the devil is in the details. Forcing people to add someone to their contact list before being able to receive calls from them will probably be a bit draconian. Another possible solution would be that someone can request access to cal…

I'd settle for non-spoofable CallerID

Yes, that would probably be a good thing. They seriously need to fix the problem of being able to listen to other people's voicemail by merely setting the caller id to the target's cell number and calling them.

Re: FCC Chairman Proposes Robocall Blocking by Default

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I'm curious why robocalls aren't protected by freedom of speech. This is the government censoring small businesses from doing direct marketing. I don't actually believe this argument, but I'm curious what self-described free speech absolutists think.

The government isn't censoring anything, they're allowing private organizations to block spam calls by default.

Re: FCC Chairman Proposes Robocall Blocking by Default

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post #32

I'm curious why robocalls aren't protected by freedom of speech. This is the government censoring small businesses from doing direct marketing. I don't actually believe this argument, but I'm curious what self-described free speech absolutists think.

Freedom of speech isn't absolute. No right is absolute, as a matter of fact.

Re: FCC Chairman Proposes Robocall Blocking by Default

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According to Ars they want to leave it up to the carriers if they want to charge for it, if that is accurate and the robocall problems escalate then you could end up paying for it by default ... or just get robocalls all day.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/05/ajit-pais-roboca...

"It will cost $X a month for service, and $Y more if you want to be able to use it..."

And as a revenue stream I worry this could create a perverse disincentive for carriers, why deal with a problem that makes people give us more money?

Re: FCC Chairman Proposes Robocall Blocking by Default

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I have my iPhone on Do not Disturb allow only contacts to ring my phone.

Also, for each contact I want to be notified about their texts Ive edited each contact > text tone —> Emergency Bypass on and no text tone.

My phone is now back to what I feel belongs to me and not scum using MY phone to bother me for their benefit.

Re: FCC Chairman Proposes Robocall Blocking by Default

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post #32

I'm curious why robocalls aren't protected by freedom of speech. This is the government censoring small businesses from doing direct marketing. I don't actually believe this argument, but I'm curious what self-described free speech absolutists think.

Freedom of speech includes the ability to be free from speech. You have the right to say things; you do not have the right to force people to listen.

There are some obvious nuances around different media, especially around physical audio in the real world, where just because you're saying something that is reaching people's ears does not within reason mean you're "forcing" them to "hear" it, but in the case of a robocall it's definitely an attempt to force itself on you, especially in light of the Do Not Call list providing positive in-advance affirmation of a lack of desire to hear this particular speech.

I think is one of those cases where a "reasonable person" standard works pretty well and trying to get nitpicky on "but what if...?" is mostly a way to get yourself turned around in circles, not a path to enlightenment.

(If nothing else, you can't have a generalized right to force other people to listen to you out of sheer scale; the many hundreds of thousands of people who would jump on that "right" to do something would consume well in excess of 100% of your time if such a right generally existed, in our current socio-technological landscape in which broadcast is so easy and readily available to everyone. Robocalls are an example of that problem squeezing through even despite our layers of protection; it would be far worse if our society determined there was a right to such things.)

Re: FCC Chairman Proposes Robocall Blocking by Default

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I've been getting this call[1] literally every month for about a year now. It goes straight to voicemail because their dialer can't get past my voice captcha. I tried blocking the caller id but they keep using a different last four numbers. I've now configured the call flow so that this entire exchange now has to pass the captcha to even get to voice mail. What I'm saying is, this proposal can't come soon enough. 1.…

For the captcha, do you have any proposal for what to do when the caller is legitimate but doesn't speak English?
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