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Re: Documentary About Pedophile Priests Shakes Up Poland

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I'm personally not convinced by the often exerted narrative that celibacy leads to pedophilia. It seems to me that a more likely explanation is that someone with a certain inclination would seek out a job (perhaps even subconsciously) that may offer him a chance to get closer to living out that inclination.

It's probably a bit of both. Homosexuality is, at least stereotypically, more common in environments where there are no other options, like sailing ships and prisons, even in cultures where it is strongly taboo. It's a small leap to say the same could apply to paedophilia.

I wonder if there's value in seperating homosexuality, the sexual preference/identity, from the act - I feel like in many of those "no other options" scenarios there probably wouldn't be a lot of identifying as homosexual, nor a preference for homosexual acts, but instead as acts of sexual pragmatism.

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Tell sexual humans not to be sexual due to some made up non-sense myths and put them in positions of power and authority, what could possibly go wrong? They want to stop child abuse, and sure who is not for that, but how about stopping myth abuse?

Religion has no bearing in this, it's the church who has been the facilitator, and the church is made of regular people. Priests have sexual needs, that's understandable, but they could satisfy them without victimizing others. The line is harming someone, specially if they are defenseless. The beliefs of the perpetrators don't enter the equation.

You could apply the same reasoning to scientology.

I'm not saying it's relligion's fault. It's just that things rarely have a single clearly defined reason. Some correlations exist.

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The documentary is very good and based on facts, and the Polish church never had and still does not have any means of getting rid of people such as the collaborators who have been implanted there by the old communist governments or child molesters who proliferate in this environment, having unrestricted access to children in schools and churches. They are simply moved from one chapel to another or, eventually, to hou…

> such as the collaborators who have been implanted there by the old communist governments or child molesters who proliferate in this environment I find this repeated idea weird. We're not in a state which would politically protect them anymore. They could be easily removed/charged last week. Bringing up the implanting by the gov today sounds like "not only we hid child molesters, but also keep hiding old communist p…

It's the other way around - communists wanted to inflitrate church as the only independent of them legal institution in Poland.

And what better way than to blackmail pedophile priests to force them to report on other priests and oppositionists?

And yeah, being not only pedophiles but also communist spies makes it it even worse that now 30 years later it's still not solved. It's mostly because all the governments compete to get favors of the church so that church tell people to vote for them.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm personally not convinced by the often exerted narrative that celibacy leads to pedophilia. It seems to me that a more likely explanation is that someone with a certain inclination would seek out a job (perhaps even subconsciously) that may offer him a chance to get closer to living out that inclination.

It's probably a bit of both. Homosexuality is, at least stereotypically, more common in environments where there are no other options, like sailing ships and prisons, even in cultures where it is strongly taboo. It's a small leap to say the same could apply to paedophilia.

There are other options. It's a public secret that "kitchen helpers" of priests in Poland are often also their lovers. As long as they are adult and agreed voluntarily to such relationship I don't mind, even if it's highly hypocritical.

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The documentary is very good and based on facts, and the Polish church never had and still does not have any means of getting rid of people such as the collaborators who have been implanted there by the old communist governments or child molesters who proliferate in this environment, having unrestricted access to children in schools and churches. They are simply moved from one chapel to another or, eventually, to hou…

But what if there’s nothing to purge? What if the church itself is the catalyst for creating predators? The fact that this problem has spanned generations tells me that this isn’t something you can purge, it’s fundamental to the way the church operates. Ask a man to be celibate and then give him unquestioned, divine power over individuals? Of course you’re going to have a predator problem!

Since this problem is seen in so many countries, that does seem to be the case.

All-male moral authority is a real problem.

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Institutions such as public schools and the Boy Scouts that do not require celibacy have had very similar problems. So have some Protestant churches that allow their ministers to marry. The John Jay report done on clerical sex abuse in the USA didn’t find the percentage of abusers in the priesthood to be significantly different from those in other professions. The impulse to cover up is not limited to the institution…

> Institutions such as public schools and the Boy Scouts that do not require celibacy have had very similar problems. All have one thing in common: adults with unchecked power over minors.

Its more common than that as it starts with mothers breastfeeding their kids. Other scientists argue Pedophilia and others are perfectly natural, you even see this behaviour in other animals, including castrated male dogs trying to copulate with younger dogs. For decades, the BBC hid the sexual habits of Bonobo monkeys from the wider public, they have sex with all ages of their species, something that was only known in small academic circles. Of course the accusation of pedophilia and other philia's is an excellent blackmail and extortion method most often used by security services of all people! Can you think of a better accusation to make where it can not be defended as it boils down to a historical event which is medically hard to prove and simply relies on the evidence of at least 2 people. Now why cant you make up a false accusation about a teacher who you didnt like and think about how it could be defended when you put yourself in either persons shoes.

After reading the below, at least you will learn why some men and women get so angry at mothers breastfeeding in public considering the sexual connotations.

Levin, Roy J. (May 2006), "The breast/nipple/areola complex and human sexuality". Sexual & Relationship Therapy. 21 (2):237–249.

    p240-241 wrote:
    Approximately 33 to 50% of mothers described breast feeding as an erotic experience, while some 25% expressed guilt because of the sexual excitement that they felt (von Sydow, 1999). In a few cases the arousal is strong enough to induce orgasm which causes some nursing mothers to abandon breast feeding because of the sexual stimulation (Dickinson, 1949, p. 67; Masters & Johnson, 1966, p. 162). In a questionnaire on orgasm and pregnancy published in a Dutch magazine for women, Gianotten (1988) asked ‘‘Did you experience, while breastfeeding, a sensation of sexual excitement’’, 34% (total n¼153) answered ‘‘Yes’’ and to the question ‘‘Did you experience, while breastfeeding, pleasurable contractions in the uterine region’’, 71% answered ‘‘Yes’’. Of these 153 women who had been breastfeeding who replied to the question ‘‘Did you experience, while breast feeding an orgasm (during or as the result of breastfeeding)’’, 12 (8%) answered ‘‘Yes’’. Ignorance about such normal physiological occurrences can sometimes create gross miscarriages of the law. According to Yalom (1997, p. 254), a mother in Syracuse, New York in 1992 had her two-year-old child taken away from her after admitting that she became aroused on nursing, the authorities claiming that she sexually abused the child. A judge found there was no case and after 8 months the child was returned to the custody not of her mother, but of her grandparents!

Re: Documentary About Pedophile Priests Shakes Up Poland

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I made the following comment:

"This didn't shake up anything. It's been common knowledge for a long time that catholic priests are pedophiles. If people seriously had a problem with it, the catholic church would have been banned already."

It was downvoted and deleted. Why does HN downvote and delete comments calling out pedophiles? Is HN a pedophile community?

Re: Documentary About Pedophile Priests Shakes Up Poland

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I made the following comment:

"This didn't shake up anything. It's been common knowledge for a long time that catholic priests are pedophiles. If people seriously had a problem with it, the catholic church would have been banned already."

It was downvoted and deleted and my account was shadowbanned. Why does HN downvote and delete comments and shadowban accounts for calling out pedophiles? Is HN a pedophile community?

Re: Documentary About Pedophile Priests Shakes Up Poland

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I made the following comment:

"This didn't shake up anything. It's been common knowledge for a long time that catholic priests are pedophiles. If people seriously had a problem with it, the catholic church would have been banned already."

It was downvoted and deleted and my account was shadowbanned. Why does HN downvote and delete comments and shadowban accounts for calling out pedophiles? Is HN a pedophile community?

Re: Documentary About Pedophile Priests Shakes Up Poland

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I made the following comment: "This didn't shake up anything. It's been common knowledge for a long time that catholic priests are pedophiles. If people seriously had a problem with it, the catholic church would have been banned already." It was downvoted and deleted and my account was shadowbanned. Why does HN downvote and delete comments and shadowban accounts for calling out pedophiles? Is HN a pedophile community…

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