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Re: Apple is lobbying Californian lawmakers against 'Right to Repair' bill

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Post by natch » Thu, May 02, 2019, 8:58 PM UTC

mqus wrote: post #27

natch wrote: post #14

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OK it's true there are also more issues at play. Since you mention battery, that's a big one. When Apple cannot control which batteries get swapped into their devices, their brand is at risk due to fires caused by bad batteries. You can generalize this point to other components and quality in general. If people swap out third party parts, which some repair shops and end users will do to save money, the products end u…

This is really not a good argument. If I swap the parts myself, I either get the new parts from apple themselves (in which case it IS their fault if something goes wrong or they can blame it on me for wrongly assembling it; e.g. "You were holding it wrong") If I go to a shop or a friend to get my phone repaired and they replace parts, this would be different. If the device malfunctions I would obviously blame the guy…

>This is really not a good argument.

But it is, and your counterpoints do not hold up.

Re: Apple is lobbying Californian lawmakers against 'Right to Repair' bill

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Post by natch » Thu, May 02, 2019, 9:35 PM UTC

layoutIfNeeded wrote: post #18

natch wrote: post #3

The tradeoff here is between right to repair, and users having secure, trustworthy devices that will not spy on them. Put yourself in the shoes of an abused family member who lives with a hardware tinkerer who can pwn your device, unbeknownst to you, enabling further abuse (not talking about physical abuse necessarily here). Just to take one slice of the population as an example, Apple has many gay and trans employee…

So basically “think about the c̶h̶i̶l̶d̶r̶e̶n̶ gay/trans!”

Nobody is forcing you to, but Apple is free to support the needs of all their users if they so choose.

Re: Apple is lobbying Californian lawmakers against 'Right to Repair' bill

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Post by Simulacra » Thu, May 02, 2019, 11:18 PM UTC

I agree and disagree. I think people should have the absolute right to repair and modify their devices, with or without an existing warranty. However to support that activity while forcing companies to honor the warranty feels wrong. It's like saying here, I screwed it up, now you fix it for free.

Re: Apple is lobbying Californian lawmakers against 'Right to Repair' bill

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Post by simion314 » Fri, May 03, 2019, 8:36 AM UTC

natch wrote: post #28

simion314 wrote: post #26

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>When Apple cannot control which batteries get swapped into their devices, their brand is at risk due to fires caused by bad batteries. I never seems this argument when you install after market car parts and install the parts yourself or your neighbor or some random car service, if you changed your lightbolb in the car and the engine breaks 1 month later you can't void my engine warranty. When I install a cheap batte…

It’s incredibly naive to think that when your house burns down and gets reported in the media, or your device bursts into flames in your luggage on a plane, all the media people sensationalizing the story and all the readers are going to get the key fact that you personally replaced the battery. Information gets distorted and the phone maker ends up looking bad.

This is not true,if it was true, some fan hater would hack an iPhone and made it to get on fire into an airplane or some other place. The evidence shows that we have many batteroes for MACc books catch fire or get inflated, keyboiards breaking, GPUs not working and if there is no class action lawsuit the blame is alwys set on the user that he is using it wrong.

Please show evidence for the contrary, one isolated incident and Apple got the blame and not the user when in fact the user was at fault.

Re: Apple is lobbying Californian lawmakers against 'Right to Repair' bill

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Post by wayneftw » Fri, May 03, 2019, 7:32 PM UTC

I'd also like to see a "right to install" bill that targets all major computing device platforms.

Nobody should be able to sell devices to millions of people without giving those customers the ability to install their own software. There should be no arbitrary limits such as "you have to plug your device into another device every 7 days just to keep your custom software installed".