I knew a lot of Chinese students in grad school (computer science) and saw none of this. This article smells fishy.
Its actually new. In the past year trump can basically unofficially prevent chinese student from getting visas
Why the doors to America are closing for Chinese tech students
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why is that relevant? The US has always been a great place to live in if you are rich.
While that's vacuously true on account of the fact that being rich is fundamentally good no matter where you are, I'd argue that China is even better to live in if you're rich.
" I'd argue that China is even better to live in if you're rich."
? If you're rich in the US, you stay rich as long as you keep your money.
In China, your RMB is worth what the Party says it's worth, and you can be arbitrarily destroyed for political reasons.
Excepting issues like 'cheap labour' - on most other secular issues, America is a better place to be rich, once you're rich. (ie notwithstanding non culturally secular issues like the fact most people generally prefer their home country for obvious reasons)
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
While that's vacuously true on account of the fact that being rich is fundamentally good no matter where you are, I'd argue that China is even better to live in if you're rich.
Not if you value political freedom
Any examples of rich people doing things in the US that’d be persecuted in China? Donating to the Libertarian party perhaps? Most of the time I’d imagine the rich are aligned with the status quo.
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#34Wow, fuck that site. It literally won't let me read it in landscape orientation.
Doesn't work without JS either.
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#35From Wikipedia: According to Robert Hannigan, former Director of the Government Communications Headquarters, Chinese hackers have engaged in economic espionage against British universities and engineering companies, on behalf of the Chinese government.
What better instrument than a graduate student?
Sure, we want to be open and inclusive to everyone, but don't be stupid. Don't let the country that literally partners up with North Korea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93North_Korea_rela...) and have hacked and infiltrated other countries before have open access to cutting edge technology.
During university, I've heard from a chinese student (From China), who's dad owned a high tech factory. He told me the plan was to get a job at the most reputable tech firm in that industry, and learn from it, then bring it back to his dad.
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#36I wonder if Chinese tech students who are unable to find jobs in sensitive sector in America will have to return to China, leading to a reverse brain drain. The Chinese nuclear weapons program and missile program were both helped greatly when Qian Xuesen[1], one of the co-founder of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, returned to China during the Red Scare in the 1950s. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qian_Xuesen
I think due to the US inability to fix fundamental issues with regards to upward mobility, education and a fuck you attitude on the world stage. Anything they do to counter China will only hasten the rise of China and their decline.
Indeed, it is not hard to see this reverse brain drain as a reflection of relative under-representation of East Asians in tech management.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why is that relevant? The US has always been a great place to live in if you are rich.
While that's vacuously true on account of the fact that being rich is fundamentally good no matter where you are, I'd argue that China is even better to live in if you're rich.
No. You never know when the commie nomenclature decides you're the enemy of the state, strips you out of your wealth and sends the execution bus at your front door.
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#38From Wikipedia: According to Robert Hannigan, former Director of the Government Communications Headquarters, Chinese hackers have engaged in economic espionage against British universities and engineering companies, on behalf of the Chinese government. What better instrument than a graduate student? Sure, we want to be open and inclusive to everyone, but don't be stupid. Don't let the country that literally partners…
God forbid, a kid who wants to work in the family business! He must be up to something no good, being from an evil Communist state. Wait, how do family businesses exist under Communism? head explodes
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#39There's been to many proofs that Chinese 'students' and 'researches' are actually well-organized spy circles, controlled from outside, both stealing every technology related stuff they can, and disseminating propaganda in the U.S. under direct supervision from China. They are not say like Russian or Indian students who try to adapt, blend into the ecosystem, and make it there. They are instruments in their State's ha…
I think you will have to go ahead and provide that proof, since you made the outrageous claim. Some of my favorite colleagues happen to come from China - some spying may happen but to suggest it’s anything but a tiny amount of people demands evidence, not innuendo.
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#40A prominent Beijing scholar who recently fled to the United States has warned that China was sending "spies" to American universities, and urged US institutions to tread carefully on academic co-operation.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1437005/expelled-pek...