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Tokyo's Underground Discharge Channel

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Re: Tokyo's Underground Discharge Channel

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> 78 10 MW (13,000 hp) pumps that can pump up to 200 tons of water into the Edo River per second.[4] Wow, I hope the grid can handle the relatively sudden appearance of 780 MW of load. I assume they have some protocol in which why turn on one pump at a time and coordinate with the grid operators.

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These enormous underground projects are so interesting. I've been following the Chicago Deep Tunnel project, which is nearing completion after half a century of work.[1] Because Chicago was built on swampland and next to the lake, rainwater used to be a huge problem because it didn't have anywhere to go when it rains, except into sewers - which used to be well under capacity for burst rainfall, which led to basement…

Just yesterday, a street downtown buckled from the pressure of stormwater running underneath it. 1. https://wgntv.com/2019/05/01/video-captures-street-buckle-in...

That video is absolutely hilarious - thank you for making my morning

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Massive side not - I have no idea why you guys insist on using football stadiums and football fields as a unit of measurement, what gives?

Just a handy visualization - easier to conceptualize than "12.9 billion gallons."

> 12.9 billion gallons.

You mean 39600 acre-feet? :)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dresden was also completely destroyed by Allies (for no good reason) and its firebombing caused between 200 000 and 300 000 victims (largely women, children and elderly). We don't talk about it much even though it was a crime against humanity as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_Wa...

From the Wikipedia article supplied: “Large variations in the claimed death toll have fuelled the controversy. In March 1945, the German government ordered its press to publish a falsified casualty figure of 200,000 for the Dresden raids, and death toll estimates as high as 500,000 have been given.[15][16][17] The city authorities at the time estimated up to 25,000 victims, a figure that subsequent investigations sup…

Nobody actually knows the real number of victims since it was not just the population of Dresden but also refugees from all over the place who had taken to live in Dresden. These are not accounted for by the city statistics, so 25 000 people killed is probably on the low end of actual numbers.

You want a different source? https://www.britannica.com/event/bombing-of-Dresden

> The U.S. Eighth Air Force followed the next day with another 400 tons of bombs and carried out yet another raid by 210 bombers on February 15. It is thought that some 25,000–35,000 civilians died in Dresden in the air attacks, though some estimates are as high as 250,000, given the influx of undocumented refugees that had fled to Dresden from the Eastern Front. Most of the victims were women, children, and the elderly.

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These enormous underground projects are so interesting. I've been following the Chicago Deep Tunnel project, which is nearing completion after half a century of work.[1] Because Chicago was built on swampland and next to the lake, rainwater used to be a huge problem because it didn't have anywhere to go when it rains, except into sewers - which used to be well under capacity for burst rainfall, which led to basement…

Interestingly the recent late season rain has the Deep Tunnel almost full. [1] Two of the three main reservoirs are already at capacity, and the the last one is getting there.

BTW they do offer tours of the pumping stations, but not the tunnels [2]

[1] https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2019/05/01/heavy-rain-flooding-... [2] https://www.mwrd.org/irj/portal/anonymous/tourinf

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These enormous underground projects are so interesting. I've been following the Chicago Deep Tunnel project, which is nearing completion after half a century of work.[1] Because Chicago was built on swampland and next to the lake, rainwater used to be a huge problem because it didn't have anywhere to go when it rains, except into sewers - which used to be well under capacity for burst rainfall, which led to basement…

DC’s Clean Rivers Project is building 4 long tunnels to act as a buffer for the old combined sewer system. Some of the tunnels are complete and already functioning. Previously large storms would cause the sewers to overflow into the Potomac and Anacostia rivers. The EPA wound up suing DC and the Clean Rivers Project is the result. The new tunnels have already had a huge effect.

https://www.dcwater.com/cleanrivers

Re: Tokyo's Underground Discharge Channel

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I've been there. The containment tank is positively MASSIVE, way more huge than what can be conveyed from those pictures. It took a good 3-5 minutes of walking down stairs just to reach the bottom of the tank floor, and once you're down there it takes some more to appreciate the expansiveness of it all. Definitely recommended if you're in the area.

Re: Tokyo's Underground Discharge Channel

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These enormous underground projects are so interesting. I've been following the Chicago Deep Tunnel project, which is nearing completion after half a century of work.[1] Because Chicago was built on swampland and next to the lake, rainwater used to be a huge problem because it didn't have anywhere to go when it rains, except into sewers - which used to be well under capacity for burst rainfall, which led to basement…

>twelve football stadiums stacked together I understand that football stadium play area is standard, but how do you measure height? Is it a foul to kick the ball too high in the air? The play area, I assume isn't limited vertically.

It says "volume of twelve stadiums" so maybe by treating an entire stadium as a giant bowl up to the top of the seating? But who knows what stadium is the reference stadium - that's not a consistent thing like the size of a football field.

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Tokyo was a city of canals before the Allies firebombed the city. Apparently the canals boiled due to the incendiaries used, so there was no escape from the fire during that tragic phase of life in the city. 100,000 deaths in one night is a statistic that few people think about, the Nazi death camps worked at a glacial pace in comparison, the craziness of WW1 campaigns gains a new perspective too, the bombing of Toky…

Dresden was also completely destroyed by Allies (for no good reason) and its firebombing caused between 200 000 and 300 000 victims (largely women, children and elderly). We don't talk about it much even though it was a crime against humanity as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_Wa...

I am not a historian, but there had to be a reason. Just from the popular accounts of WW II, given the conviction of Germans to continue fighting, their ideology, self-esteem and the danger of war dragging on, obliterating a major cultural centre instead of focused strikes to military targets makes a lot of sense, both emotionally and strategically. As I see it, this was by intent not a tactical response, this was meant to be a major death blow to hit the German resolve, so they see what response will come if they continue. And to make it a lasting impact. At that point of time, the Allies knew they will win, and they felt justified bombing vulnerable non-soldiers as a means to accelerate the coming of the end of the war. Similar logic applies to destroying the towns Hiroshima and Nagasaki with nuclear bombs.
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