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An Archaeologist Challenges Mainstream Scientific Thinking (2017)

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Re: An Archaeologist Challenges Mainstream Scientific Thinking (2017)

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DoreenMichele wrote: post #16

Sadly, this seems to be par for the course. It took 50 years for plate tectonics to go from "some crackpot theory" to accepted science. Wikipedia politely says the theory was controversial and not widely accepted when initially proposed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Wegener https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics One of my "favorites": They essentially murdered Semmelweis for suggesting doctors shou…

Given how hand washing can become an OCD, and the shock that his dawning realization must have been, I don't doubt that he might have become a little crazy.

The renown out of whack methods of the insane asylum are a different matter. What's the equivalent of washing hands when picking someones brain? Dropping presumptions? First I thought you meant "washing hands" figuratively, as I didn't predict the context.

Re: An Archaeologist Challenges Mainstream Scientific Thinking (2017)

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Post by GorgeRonde »

ianai wrote: post #26
aaaaaatttuyy wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No idea what you mean by outline. Also, I'm glad that you implicitly recognize the difference between being wrong and having insufficient data.

A list of archeological sites with evidence that challenges the established theories. Thank you for your comments in this thread. I’m learning quite a bit from them!

User aaaaaatttuyy has not mentioned the fact that NASA has recently found a crater under the Hiawatha glacier in Greenland that was, at the time of discovery, supposed to be 12k to 3M years old.

But a paper from March that tries to cross-validate this finding by looking at sedimentary data in South-America finds that the impact must have occurred 12,835 ~ 12,735 years ago.

Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-38089-y#ref-CR25

And this, is what Graham Hancock has been supporting for so long. And yeah Semmelweis was full of himself as well.

Now to answer your questions about archeological sites:

  - Atlantis (when) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSx_0stJI0w
  - Atlantis (where, the Richat Structure) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDoM4BmoDQM&t=230s
  - Göbekli Tepe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K5NvCiYGEI
  - Underground city around the world: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMjbtb4xLGQ&t=5s
  - Underground city under the Giza plateau https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVR5V-cmpbA
  - Huge cities in the Amazon bassin (a giant garden) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn1MugPalaA&t=608s
  - The Sphynx of Egypt is more ancient than thought https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9aZlLqkcYw
  - Underwater city in japan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vHbpimRQLg&t=47s
  - Underwater city off the coast of Cuba https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhcCjbl2Vjc
  - Similarity between various archeological sites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYfpu2sHZuo
  - The Antikythera Mechanism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkL5Wkj1gYk
  - The Ellora caves in India (as much work as the buildingof the great pyramid): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WypT8RPUxg
  - The "laser-cut" Lomas Rishi caves (India again): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShObd9t_0Oc
  - The fact the Giza pyramid and some megalithic structures around the world (some in Corsica for instance) are north-aligned with a greater precision than Copernic's observatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDBA3fhCfmo
  - The Sahara used to be green and turned into sand in a generation, around **11,000** years ago: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/what-really-turned-sahara-desert-green-oasis-wasteland-180962668/
  - The Great Pyramid could be a giant ram pump : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDUwD59OYzI&t=122s
  - The pyramids could be made of artificial re-agglomerated limestone : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znQk_yBHre4
  - The Machu Pichu has not been built by the Incas and the walls were made out of molten stone.
  - Organic matter in the incredible ruins of Puma Punku, Peru, show stones where made by pouring a geopolymer into casts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q1f0YBm4ic&t=317s
  - Etc ...
The list is long, and as you may have noticed, I tried to pick short videos here. Also most of them are "crackpot" theories from youtube. It may be unbearable to watch if you like to razzor-cut bushes the Occam style. Now if you like to watch them grow into a passionately intricated puzzle and can enjoy these videos like a Netflix series, this might interest you.

A few channels/authors to follow on the matter:

  - Graham Hancock
  - Ancient Architects: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCscI4NOggNSN-Si5QgErNCw. Both crackpot theories and scientific news related to the topic. Very prolific
  - Bright Insight: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsIlJ9eYylZQcyfMOPNUz9w/videos. Similar, but more crackpot.
  - Le Moment Curieux (french) : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyVPaIiBL9ieiyMeoCTR0SQ. Deep analysis of cyclopean/polygonal walls around the world + a toy-model of the Great Pyramid as a pump.
  - Suspicious0bservers's Earth Catostrophe Cycle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvjJqIXYT1w&list=PLHSoxioQtwZfY2ISsNBzJ-aOZ3APVS8br most stars including the sun cyclically burst into "micro-nova" events and cause poles to shift. This is Roland Emmerich grade entertainment and very enjoyable. Very scientific as well altough a tad conspirationist.
  - The science behind comet capture then disintegration in the solar system: https://cosmictusk.com/how_a_disintegrated_comet_destroyed_the_world/
But the best way to deep into the subject (warning, lot of numerology ahead!) is this documentary and its sequel:

  - The Revelation of the Pyramids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fS9ixfQ_no&t=793s
  - Builders of the Ancient World: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okhDDknJ9o0&list=PLt3D1556v66JLCCEtdI7spskIsvDUwylw&index=1
Good luck

Re: An Archaeologist Challenges Mainstream Scientific Thinking (2017)

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Post by aaaaaatttuyy »

GorgeRonde wrote: post #33
ianai wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A list of archeological sites with evidence that challenges the established theories. Thank you for your comments in this thread. I’m learning quite a bit from them!

User aaaaaatttuyy has not mentioned the fact that NASA has recently found a crater under the Hiawatha glacier in Greenland that was, at the time of discovery, supposed to be 12k to 3M years old. But a paper from March that tries to cross-validate this finding by looking at sedimentary data in South-America finds that the impact must have occurred 12,835 ~ 12,735 years ago. Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/s415…

What a fucking moron.

Re: An Archaeologist Challenges Mainstream Scientific Thinking (2017)

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Post by GorgeRonde »

aaaaaatttuyy wrote: post #34
GorgeRonde wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

User aaaaaatttuyy has not mentioned the fact that NASA has recently found a crater under the Hiawatha glacier in Greenland that was, at the time of discovery, supposed to be 12k to 3M years old. But a paper from March that tries to cross-validate this finding by looking at sedimentary data in South-America finds that the impact must have occurred 12,835 ~ 12,735 years ago. Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/s415…

What a fucking moron.

Who ? Why ?

Re: An Archaeologist Challenges Mainstream Scientific Thinking (2017)

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Post by m463 »

ErotemeObelus wrote: post #13

Sometimes I get the dawning suspicion that everything we're told is the truth is really just consensus reality. And every time we think we get a realization of the truth, it's really just our mind resyncing to consensus reality. And that the point of education is to recognize consensus reality.

I remember a computer science professor working on something called "belief spaces", where instead of having a database of facts like "all mammals have four legs", it was more like "joe believes all mammals have four legs".

I kind of wonder if that is actually the way to a more accurate representation of reality.

Re: An Archaeologist Challenges Mainstream Scientific Thinking (2017)

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Post by marcus_holmes »

aaaaaatttuyy wrote: post #28
marcus_holmes wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be much more forgiving of archeology and archeologists if they admitted what they didn't know, rather than presenting theories as facts. "Ritual Purposes" is the poster child for this. Site reports I've read from early medieval digs on artifacts rarely say "purpose unknown" or even "probably art", but instead say "ritual purposes". I understand that creating a theory for, say, early American migration, is useful…

Archaeologists are constantly aware of what they don't know and cannot know, and make these things very clear when they publish. Seems like you are taking pseudoarchaeologists at the word when they make accusations about legitimate archaeologists without any basis for such nasty claims. 'Ritual purposes' is indeed a trope, a trope that was recognized in the 1980s and that is now shied away from because it was applied…

that's entirely possible. I left re-enactment 10 years ago. Things could have changed since then.
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