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Google Is Eating Our Mail
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Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail
#32Google has no incentive to fix these kinds of problems. It's big enough that when someone complains that a message sent wasn't received, the intended recipient will say, "I never have problems with my Gmail account. It must be you." And the sender has to switch to Gmail to reliably communicate with the outside world. I wish this was just paranoia, but we've seen multiple discussions on HN about Google programs and po…
Google has a long history of "oopsies" where they deliberately cripple the competition and blame it on unintended consequences [1].
[1] https://www.computerworld.com/article/3389882/former-mozilla...
Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail
#33Add another perspective to this. Once I updated my phone, and google would not accept new google Authenticator codes after set up. Locked out of 15 years of email.
I had a fright last time I changed phones. After restoring my backup onto the new phone, I was about to wipe the old one; I did a final pass through my apps just in case... and saw that Google Authenticator configuration did not carry over to the new phone (which makes sens from a security perspective but is a PITA to manage). I had to re-enroll my device with all the services on which I use MFA. After this episode I…
You can also have more than one device set up for TOTP - phone, previous phone or tablet, desktop using WinAuth or similar. Authy and the password managers will also track those seed values, though it's best to store them separately from your actual password storage.
Another thing that will not migrate phone to phone is Signal conversations if you're inclined to keep those.
Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail
#34Add another perspective to this. Once I updated my phone, and google would not accept new google Authenticator codes after set up. Locked out of 15 years of email.
For the future, if you use yubikeys, yubico authenticator is a drop in replacement for google-authenticator and you can save your google-auth setup on multiple yubikeys. So, even if you lose one, you still have it on another. Then it is independent of the phone. Also the yubikeys themselves can be used as 2FA for google accounts. However, sadly, you can't set them up on firefox the last time I tried.
Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail
#35Google has no incentive to fix these kinds of problems. It's big enough that when someone complains that a message sent wasn't received, the intended recipient will say, "I never have problems with my Gmail account. It must be you." And the sender has to switch to Gmail to reliably communicate with the outside world. I wish this was just paranoia, but we've seen multiple discussions on HN about Google programs and po…
Google is doing the embrace and extend - same as Microsoft did in the 90s.
Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail
#36There may be a workaround here: configure your own mailserver to relay outgoing messages through a service with a known good reputation. For example relaying via sparkpost or mandrill should be trivial to do. You might be able to do that under a free developer account if you don't send a lot of email.
Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be honest I don't like this confidentiality notes and from what I've read (not a lawyer) they don't have any practical effect either.
I always giggle when I see those. Especially the part about how "if you are not the intended recipient, you are ordered to destroy all copies of this message." It's my computer. You sent the bad message. You're in no position to "order" me to do anything. I suspect they're mandated by self-important Lower Middle Manager of the Year Award nominees, not actual legal departments. The sort of people who never do anything…
And cargo-culting.
Most email templates are set up from old instructions hanging around confluence or a wiki. And they are rarely, if ever, actually vetted by legal.
It 'feels' good, so it stays.
Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail
#38Same here. I love email for a variety of reasons, one of them for being an open standard and protocol.
So, naturally, as many of you, I went the mail/postfix, DKIM, SPF, etc way. And all is fine until you start receiving random hard bounces with no real debugable answer for Google.
It got me deeply sad and questioning my decisions: since you can’t really ignore Gmail, email isn’t in practice “open” anymore. So I might as well sign up for Facebook, WhatsApp and the likes. It’s been years and I haven’t yet, but it’s getting harder and harder.
Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail
#39Google has no incentive to fix these kinds of problems. It's big enough that when someone complains that a message sent wasn't received, the intended recipient will say, "I never have problems with my Gmail account. It must be you." And the sender has to switch to Gmail to reliably communicate with the outside world. I wish this was just paranoia, but we've seen multiple discussions on HN about Google programs and po…
I'm now regularly seeing search results bury political pages which seem to run counter bay area political views. I'll search the terms on Bing and DuckDuckGo and the page I'm expecting will be the first hit, but on Google it'll be on page 3 or 4.
Clearly they keep the hit in the search results for plausible deniability, but they're trying to influence people by suppressing speech. Given that Google is becoming synonymous with the internet, like AOL, this is a very concerning trend.
Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail
#40Google has no incentive to fix these kinds of problems. It's big enough that when someone complains that a message sent wasn't received, the intended recipient will say, "I never have problems with my Gmail account. It must be you." And the sender has to switch to Gmail to reliably communicate with the outside world. I wish this was just paranoia, but we've seen multiple discussions on HN about Google programs and po…
Rule #1 if you're applying for jobs or graduate school - Don't use gmail for your email address.
Source: Led a hiring committee this year. Interview invitations and job offers went straight to the junk mail folder. Also serve as Director of Graduate Studies. Admissions and funding offers, as well as general inquiries about availability, all went straight to the junk mail folder. We're not going to change our email service.