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Re: Android 2.3 Platform

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Post by dinedal »

portman wrote: post #29

Wait, the NFC implementation is receive-only ? Doesn't this preclude using your phone as an NFC payment device (which would be transmit, not receive)? Can someone confirm if I'm parsing this correctly: "An NFC Reader application lets the user read and interact with near-field communication (NFC) tags. For example, the user can “touch” or “swipe” an NFC tag that might be embedded in a poster, sticker, or advertisement…

What makes transmitting from the point of sale through the internet any more secure then transmitting from the phone itself?

Re: Android 2.3 Platform

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Post by trezor »

lwhi wrote: post #26
tshtf wrote: post #3

The integrated SIP stack look excellent, but from http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.3-highlights.html : "Support for the platform's SIP and internet calling features on specific devices is determined by their manufacturers and associated carriers." This is disappointing, but not unexpected.

Well - Google have to be friendly with the networks. It's in their interest. A phone OS which allows the networks to be totally supplanted wouldn't be marketed positively (by the networks).

> A phone OS which allows the networks to be totally supplanted wouldn't be marketed positively (by the networks).

This is so backwards that it hurts. A Network which wont support the latest and greatest phones with the most awesome features will lose out customers.

Around here where I live (Europe) you chose the phone you want and you chose the plan which fits your needs. Two entirely different and disconnected things.

I can't believe you Americans let the telcos boss you around like that. Didn't you believe in freedom of choice, and all that? Why do you put up with this? Vote with your wallets. Pay whoever gives you choice. Don't let Apple's (or Google's) latest shiny toy fool you into choosing serfdom, just because it's (currently) only available on a few (or one) carrier.

Where I live, the iPhone was launched (US-style) exclusive to one operator. This is totally Alien here, with a capitol-A. People had to go to a lower-quality network operator to get the first iPhone 3G. The market didn't like this, data heavy users didn't like going to a network with a reputation for being sucky on data. They waited it out.

Voila. More operators got it, because Apple figured they could sell more by not being exclusive. It's not that hard.

Re: Android 2.3 Platform

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Post by naner »

portman wrote: post #29

Wait, the NFC implementation is receive-only ? Doesn't this preclude using your phone as an NFC payment device (which would be transmit, not receive)? Can someone confirm if I'm parsing this correctly: "An NFC Reader application lets the user read and interact with near-field communication (NFC) tags. For example, the user can “touch” or “swipe” an NFC tag that might be embedded in a poster, sticker, or advertisement…

Yes, an NFC Reader application only supports reading. The chip on the Nexus S supports reading and writing[1] so, assuming the OS allows it, you can write an application to swap contacts or whatever.

1: http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/06/google-nexus-s-review/

Re: Android 2.3 Platform

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Post by lwhi »

trezor wrote: post #33
lwhi wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well - Google have to be friendly with the networks. It's in their interest. A phone OS which allows the networks to be totally supplanted wouldn't be marketed positively (by the networks).

> A phone OS which allows the networks to be totally supplanted wouldn't be marketed positively (by the networks). This is so backwards that it hurts. A Network which wont support the latest and greatest phones with the most awesome features will lose out customers. Around here where I live (Europe) you chose the phone you want and you chose the plan which fits your needs. Two entirely different and disconnected thin…

It's might be backwards, but it's an unfortunate truth.

I live in Europe too .. but go to any phone shop, and you'll see that carriers pick specific phones to support. People traditionally buy phones with contracts - and a lot people shy away from buying a phone upfront (although this trend seems to be waning).

Also, a large part of the massive amount of money that's spent on marketing comes from the networks. Without their support a phone platform would be dead in the water.

I don't think the iPhone situation was an example of market forces creating pressure, I think the intention was always to allow other networks access .. in the UK Apple had a specific business relationship with O2 which must have been profitable for both parties. I think restriction to one network, was an example of clever (devious) marketing.

The situation will continue to change - but for the time being the power of these carrier networks is an unfortunate fact of life.

Re: Android 2.3 Platform

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Post by biafra »

lwhi wrote: post #35
trezor wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A phone OS which allows the networks to be totally supplanted wouldn't be marketed positively (by the networks). This is so backwards that it hurts. A Network which wont support the latest and greatest phones with the most awesome features will lose out customers. Around here where I live (Europe) you chose the phone you want and you chose the plan which fits your needs. Two entirely different and disconnected thin…

It's might be backwards, but it's an unfortunate truth. I live in Europe too .. but go to any phone shop, and you'll see that carriers pick specific phones to support. People traditionally buy phones with contracts - and a lot people shy away from buying a phone upfront (although this trend seems to be waning). Also, a large part of the massive amount of money that's spent on marketing comes from the networks. Withou…

Subsidies can and should be independent from carrier exclusivity. It was in germany since the late nineties. Until the iPhone I could get any GSM-phone on any carrier with a subsidy (for extending my contract).

Re: Android 2.3 Platform

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Post by orangecat »

barmstrong wrote: post #38

So...any word on when Android 2.3 will be available over the wire for Nexus 1? Surprised this wasn't mentioned.

A few weeks according to a "Developer Advocate" at Google: http://twitter.com/retomeier/status/11830023140937728# . Probably shortly after the Nexus S hits stores.

Re: Android 2.3 Platform

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Post by orangecat »

trezor wrote: post #33
lwhi wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well - Google have to be friendly with the networks. It's in their interest. A phone OS which allows the networks to be totally supplanted wouldn't be marketed positively (by the networks).

> A phone OS which allows the networks to be totally supplanted wouldn't be marketed positively (by the networks). This is so backwards that it hurts. A Network which wont support the latest and greatest phones with the most awesome features will lose out customers. Around here where I live (Europe) you chose the phone you want and you chose the plan which fits your needs. Two entirely different and disconnected thin…

Why do you put up with this?

Essentially because we're really bad at math. $500 for a phone is completely unacceptable, but hiding the cost in inflated monthly rates is just peachy.

Vote with your wallets.

I ordered the Nexus One the day after it was announced; unfortunately I was heavily outvoted.

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