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Facebook Expects to Be Fined Up to $5B by FTC Over Privacy Issues

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Re: Facebook Expects to Be Fined Up to $5B by FTC Over Privacy Issues

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Similar punishment for similar transgressions is how the law is supposed to work.

Assuming those punishments are fair and just - the punishments companies have been getting lately for privacy violations have been relatively consistent - nobody is actually being punished.

Re: Facebook Expects to Be Fined Up to $5B by FTC Over Privacy Issues

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Before this thread becomes a Facebook bashing session, please keep in mind that Equifax leaked all your SSN data along with names and addresses and got away with no fines.

Can someone explain how Facebook gets a fine but Equifax doesn't? I don't understand how? Or has Equifax not been fined yet?

Same reason Martha Stewart got jail time. Ever watch Billions?

Re: Facebook Expects to Be Fined Up to $5B by FTC Over Privacy Issues

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Before this thread becomes a Facebook bashing session, please keep in mind that Equifax leaked all your SSN data along with names and addresses and got away with no fines.

I am not a lawyer but intent appears to play a big role. A company that is negligent or incompetent will always face a lesser repercussion than one who acts deliberately.

Now of course this is not to exonerate Equifax whose entire premise rests on safeguarding sensitive information. From the consumer side, the 2 incidents are equally bad.

Re: Facebook Expects to Be Fined Up to $5B by FTC Over Privacy Issues

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This is pocket change for them. Reminds me of how they fine oil companies $50,000 and another $450,000 for violations. When they are making billions off of violating user privacy and will continue to keep using that user data for future business, this fine is nothing to them. It's like I manipulatively steal $10 from a million people and only lose a few bucks. They still profited.

$5,000,000,000 reminds you of $50,000? A fine of 1% of Facebook's value seems a bit more than pocket change.

What? FB's value naturally changes by more that 1% on quite a lot of days each year, without this fine.

Put it another way: if you took all of the daily market cap changes of FB's stock, but added -1% to one of them, could you pick out which one it was?

Re: Facebook Expects to Be Fined Up to $5B by FTC Over Privacy Issues

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Can someone explain how Facebook gets a fine but Equifax doesn't? I don't understand how? Or has Equifax not been fined yet?

Facebook is a popular target right now and the subject is politically charged. That's it.

Doesn't seem great that fines are determined based on how hot/not some firm is politically. I'm pretty sure someone can make a list of 100 companies that deserve more fines than Facebook.

Re: Facebook Expects to Be Fined Up to $5B by FTC Over Privacy Issues

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1 month of revenue is how many months of profit?

That misses the point: it's effectively a (cheap) speeding ticket for bad behavior over the life of the company. It would be a bargain at twice the price from their point of view.

Yea, and it might be that this slap on the wrists prevents any real punishment from ever being dealt out - that's what pisses me off, whenever the government goes into a non-prosecution agreement or a fine without admittance of wrong doing... it's actually lowering the potential liabilities outstanding of the company unjustly.

Re: Facebook Expects to Be Fined Up to $5B by FTC Over Privacy Issues

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> Every insider I've spoken to said any FTC fine on Facebook under $10 billion would be seen as a massive win, showing firm won't face serious consequences for privacy violations. Wall St. seems to agree in response to news of $3-$5b settlement [$FB up 4% after hours] https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1121148735818358784

Agreed. This small of a fine comes off as a cost of doing business for a company as large as Facebook.

This is why we need GDPR in the US. Make the fine like 5% of global annual profit (not sales). Something that will hurt and make them actually think it's not worth it and actively avoid it rather than just the cost of doing business and a snicker as they walk away.

Re: Facebook Expects to Be Fined Up to $5B by FTC Over Privacy Issues

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Seems like they should add another 0 to the fine after the recent hat trick: 1) Prompting users to give Facebook their email passwords.[0] 2) Using that email access to "inadvertently" upload the information of their email contacts.[1] 3) Storing said passwords and others in plaintext. [2] It's pretty impressive that a company could do something so brazenly malevolent and be confident that they will escape with no mo…

> 3) Storing said passwords and others in plaintext. [2]

in logs.

Re: Facebook Expects to Be Fined Up to $5B by FTC Over Privacy Issues

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They are fairly high margin relative to most industries, so probably less than 2 months of profit would be my guess.

If only there was a way to find out how much profit a public company makes, instead of going three-deep in a threat with “would be my guess” numbers... FWIW, FB quarterly profits Q1, Q2, and Q3 2018 were 5.1, 5.1, and 6.9 billion, respectively: https://www.statista.com/statistics/223289/facebooks-quarter...

There’s a place for estimates with reasoning. My intention was not to give the exact answer, which is often no that’s needed, but to help (in some small way) someone who doesn’t know how to get there build the reasoning that might get them enough of an answer.

Re: Facebook Expects to Be Fined Up to $5B by FTC Over Privacy Issues

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Seems like they should add another 0 to the fine after the recent hat trick: 1) Prompting users to give Facebook their email passwords.[0] 2) Using that email access to "inadvertently" upload the information of their email contacts.[1] 3) Storing said passwords and others in plaintext. [2] It's pretty impressive that a company could do something so brazenly malevolent and be confident that they will escape with no mo…

Let's hope this fine doesn't cover those actions and prevent any real justice from being meted out.
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