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SoftBank founder lost $130M on Bitcoin

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Re: SoftBank founder lost $130M on Bitcoin

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either he wins big, or no big deal, the advantages of having money.

So far, he lost more money in his funds than he ever made. But he makes $1B+ a year just from fees. This is a very twisted idea of "winning big"

He's not investing. He's laundering money at scale.

Re: SoftBank founder lost $130M on Bitcoin

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If the click comes from Facebook or Google, you won't need a subscription.

sadly not true for me.

Perhaps you've got your referrer-blocker on? You must be surfing like RM Stallman.

Linkpocalypse Now 1970 edition.

It's pretty hairy Sir.

Fantastic peak.

Stallman don't surf.

Thrill all the Donald Knuths.

Pipe organ music playing.

On the banks of Comic Sans (MS.)

Re: SoftBank founder lost $130M on Bitcoin

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So far, he lost more money in his funds than he ever made. But he makes $1B+ a year just from fees. This is a very twisted idea of "winning big"

He's not investing. He's laundering money at scale.

also laundering reputations - lots of SV companies seem to have no issues with accepting Saudi money if it's via Softbank

Re: SoftBank founder lost $130M on Bitcoin

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I can't read the article as I don't have a subscription. So if you're this dude, how do you make this investment? Presumably you just call your fiance guy and tell him to put a huge amount of money into Bitcoin and the order gets passed down to someone who knows what their doing and somewhere there is a PC out there with a bazillion dollars in Bitcoin sitting in cold storage? I gotta think the end guy who makes the b…

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Re: SoftBank founder lost $130M on Bitcoin

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I can't read the article as I don't have a subscription. So if you're this dude, how do you make this investment? Presumably you just call your fiance guy and tell him to put a huge amount of money into Bitcoin and the order gets passed down to someone who knows what their doing and somewhere there is a PC out there with a bazillion dollars in Bitcoin sitting in cold storage? I gotta think the end guy who makes the b…

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Re: SoftBank founder lost $130M on Bitcoin

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Which in context of his net worth is pretty much noise

If you're worth $20k and you find $20 on the street, it's 0.1% of your net worth. If you're Jeff Bezos and you find 0.1% of your net worth on the street, it's $150,000,000.

Lets take that thought experiment further, would Jeff Bezos even waste the time in bending down to pick up the $20 since it is worth so little? The act of bending down, the minuscule risk of falling over, possibly scraping a knee, possibly wasting more time trying to get back up, etc. Is the $20 worth the potential hassle of picking it up?

For me: without a hesitation. It's roughtly 130 times my average 5 second earnings.

For Jeff: probably a net loss.

Re: SoftBank founder lost $130M on Bitcoin

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Why do we talk about this guy as if he is some sort of genius? He lost 99% of his wealth in the first dot-com bust. The only reason he is still around is he happened to invest in Alibaba. This doesn't demonstrate anything other than that if you have enough money, it doesn't matter what you do or how stupid you are, you'll remain rich.

Re: SoftBank founder lost $130M on Bitcoin

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I like how you can be a literal billionaire bank founder and still buy a speculative asset at it's peak and sell at it's lowest after a 90% crash Buy high sell low >>The investment came at the peak of the bitcoin frenzy in late 2017 after the digital currency had already risen more than 10 fold that year. The exact size of the bet couldn’t be determined, but bitcoin peaked at nearly $20,000 in mid December 2017 and M…

Well 10% is better than less or nothing, right? Shows his lack of confidence in it going up any further - or at least within a timeframe that there aren't better investments.

>Well 10% is better than less or nothing, right? Shows his lack of confidence in it going up any further - or at least within a timeframe that there aren't better investments.

Pretty much any good book about investing (eg. The Four Pillars of Investing) teaches you that following your human emotions and irrationality in investing is the worst you can do, basically selling when everybody IS selling is the worst move (Warren Buffett: Be fearful when others are greedy, and greedy when others are fearful, https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/012116/warre...)

So I'm pretty surprised to see Masayoshi Son acting like a rookie investor, and following the crowd of uneducated investors buying during the mania and selling during the crash

It's the opposite of investing 101

Re: SoftBank founder lost $130M on Bitcoin

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I can't read the article as I don't have a subscription. So if you're this dude, how do you make this investment? Presumably you just call your fiance guy and tell him to put a huge amount of money into Bitcoin and the order gets passed down to someone who knows what their doing and somewhere there is a PC out there with a bazillion dollars in Bitcoin sitting in cold storage? I gotta think the end guy who makes the b…

All you have to know is he bought a lot of Bitcoin when the price was at its all time high of 20k USD and he sold them when it was low (its been as low as 3k USD). It is now at 5,5k USD.
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