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Claims of Shoddy Production Draw Scrutiny to a Second Boeing Jet

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Re: Claims of Shoddy Production Draw Scrutiny to a Second Boeing Jet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although it seems to be the same playbook as used by Trump - which so far has worked well for him. Deny deny deny and say you're the very best.

Keep your politics to yourself, it has nothing to do with the topic being discussed.

It's relevant as it illustrates lying has become normalized and unpunished at the highest levels.

Re: Claims of Shoddy Production Draw Scrutiny to a Second Boeing Jet

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post #29

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This is off topic but it was startling to me when I looked at CO2 stats that there was so little air travel and so much energy generation and heating. I think we have just stumbled upon the real reason we haven't fully grokked climate change yet.. the problem is much simpler and more brutal than most of us perceive.

Installing a foam roof or replacing the insulation in your walls goes a long way and saves a lot of money on energy costs over time.

My family has installed a house-fan that we use whenever we like the out-doors temperature moreso than our in-doors temperature, which is quite often in our summer months at night.

Re: Claims of Shoddy Production Draw Scrutiny to a Second Boeing Jet

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God damn, that’s horrible! FOD inside the aircraft at time of manufacturing?

Shit. I take back everything I said about preferring to flying civilian aircraft. Throw me on a P3 or C130 any day. At least we took FOD seriously on those old things.

Shame on Boeing, and shame on the CEO making the typical blanket phrase.

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I'm reminded of the comment linked here on reddit from a former Boeing employee employed 2008-2009 (allegedly). >To this day, I refuse to fly on a 787. I'm sure that the Dreamliners that came off the assembly line after about a year or so were fine but there's that first year of production that, as far as I'm concerned, are ticking time bombs. I talked to many engineers who had worked on that program to know just how…

Is this some new thing making rounds on the internet? Airplanes account for 5% of all CO2 emissions, and only a fraction of that is individuals flying. The average American would have to take a dozen New York-Tokyo flights per year to even double their carbon footprint. I assume you’ve addressed more important sources of carbon emissions, such as moving to a state that doesn’t require heating in the winter or AC in t…

The world's population can't all move to California, so that's not a sustainable option. But yes, improving home insulation is a low hanging fruit.

The overall impact of aviation is actually less than 5%, though it's fast growing and projected to be 5% and more. (And I doubt only a fraction is related to moving people around.) Note that aviation contributes to global warming in excess of its pure CO2 emissions; at very high altitude even water vapour is an issue. Another point of comparison: aviation's overall impact is about 10% of the entire transport sector, the same amount as all water based shipping.

Either way it's a huge amount, there is no such thing as just an integer percentage of overall emissions.

Source: Wikipedia and IPCC, mostly https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/ipcc_wg3_ar5...

Re: Claims of Shoddy Production Draw Scrutiny to a Second Boeing Jet

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Boeing South Carolina teammates are producing the highest levels of quality in our history,” Kevin McAllister, Boeing’s head of commercial airplanes, said in a statement. “I am proud of our teams’ exceptional commitment to quality and stand behind the work they do each and every day. Whoever is sitting down to write Boeing's PR response quotes needs to be fired, along with whichever c-suite exec is approving them. It…

Although it seems to be the same playbook as used by Trump - which so far has worked well for him. Deny deny deny and say you're the very best.

Rent-free.

Re: Claims of Shoddy Production Draw Scrutiny to a Second Boeing Jet

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post #28

In North Charleston, the pace of production has quickened. Starting this year, Boeing is producing 14 Dreamliners a month, split between North Charleston and Everett, up from the previous 12. At the same time, Boeing said it was eliminating about a hundred quality control positions in North Charleston. These planes are going to start failing in unison in a few years.

One has to wonder if the same problems exist with airbus

Re: Claims of Shoddy Production Draw Scrutiny to a Second Boeing Jet

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post #12

Boeing South Carolina teammates are producing the highest levels of quality in our history,” Kevin McAllister, Boeing’s head of commercial airplanes, said in a statement. “I am proud of our teams’ exceptional commitment to quality and stand behind the work they do each and every day. Whoever is sitting down to write Boeing's PR response quotes needs to be fired, along with whichever c-suite exec is approving them. It…

> It's not acceptable to totally ignore actual safely issues being brought to light and respond universally with panglossian emptiness. Not only is it acceptable, it's effective . Until a 787 actually crashes and provides unambiguous evidence that the whistleblowers are telling the truth, it's a he-said-she-said situation.

if there is a possibility that further analysis and research (of flight recorders, code inspections, ...) unambiguously proves a problem I don't see why precautionary grounding (by an authority with the proper jurisdiction) would be bad?

Re: Claims of Shoddy Production Draw Scrutiny to a Second Boeing Jet

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not acceptable to totally ignore actual safely issues being brought to light and respond universally with panglossian emptiness. Not only is it acceptable, it's effective . Until a 787 actually crashes and provides unambiguous evidence that the whistleblowers are telling the truth, it's a he-said-she-said situation.

if there is a possibility that further analysis and research (of flight recorders, code inspections, ...) unambiguously proves a problem I don't see why precautionary grounding (by an authority with the proper jurisdiction) would be bad?

It isn't, but that's not what is under discussion here.

Re: Claims of Shoddy Production Draw Scrutiny to a Second Boeing Jet

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post #28

In North Charleston, the pace of production has quickened. Starting this year, Boeing is producing 14 Dreamliners a month, split between North Charleston and Everett, up from the previous 12. At the same time, Boeing said it was eliminating about a hundred quality control positions in North Charleston. These planes are going to start failing in unison in a few years.

Good thing Boeing isn't one half of a commercial flight duopoly, because boy that would be bad.
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