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Major U.S. cancer center ousts ‘Asian’ researchers after NIH flags foreign ties

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Re: Major U.S. cancer center ousts ‘Asian’ researchers after NIH flags foreign ties

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Post by RankingMember »

danso wrote: post #20
codegeek wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny you say that because in the US, Indians are not considered Asians in practice even though of course South Asia is, well in Asia. I have seen many people argue that Asians only mean East Asians and does not include South Asians. However, the official census lumps all Asians together.

How are Indians not considered “Asians in practice” when they are considered as such by the Census, the authoritative organization that sets the categorization standard?

In my experience living in the U.S. at least, if someone is referring to someone of Indian origin, they call them Indian, whereas if someone is referring to someone of Korean/Japanese/Chinese origin, they'll call them Asian (unless they know their particular country of origin).

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Post by Dig1t »

peteradio wrote: post #14
sneak wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is racist to assume that someone’s place of birth determines their allegiances.

Thats a pretty inclusive view on what racism is.

In 2019, anything mildly differing from one's own opinion can be said to be racist.

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Post by EliRivers »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #5
yumraj wrote: post #2

I wonder why the headline says 'Asian' instead of saying Chinese, since all three researchers were Chinese with ties to China. As an ethic Indian, I'm kinda offended when all Asians are just lumped together as I believe it promotes general racism and bias against anyone from that continent .

In the US, Asian = people from eastern Asia. In the UK, Asian = people from southern Asia.

Speaking as someone from the UK, when I say "Asian" I mean East Asian, and when I mean someone from South Asia, I name the specific nationality.

For example, I generally wouldn't refer to someone from India as "Asian".

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Post by raverbashing »

codegeek wrote: post #9
yumraj wrote: post #2

I wonder why the headline says 'Asian' instead of saying Chinese, since all three researchers were Chinese with ties to China. As an ethic Indian, I'm kinda offended when all Asians are just lumped together as I believe it promotes general racism and bias against anyone from that continent .

Funny you say that because in the US, Indians are not considered Asians in practice even though of course South Asia is, well in Asia. I have seen many people argue that Asians only mean East Asians and does not include South Asians. However, the official census lumps all Asians together.

Well to be honest those descriptions are vague and not helpful

SE Asia is "souther" than "South Asia" (which is still in the northern hemisphere)

Not specifying the country really sounds like a diversion most of the time (and it's rare that "Asian" could be an useful generalization).

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Post by beaner »

danso wrote: post #20
codegeek wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny you say that because in the US, Indians are not considered Asians in practice even though of course South Asia is, well in Asia. I have seen many people argue that Asians only mean East Asians and does not include South Asians. However, the official census lumps all Asians together.

How are Indians not considered “Asians in practice” when they are considered as such by the Census, the authoritative organization that sets the categorization standard?

Because laypeople don't think of those things. The divide in the way people look, the environment of their countries, how they sound, and what they believe, is split in Asia by the Himalayas. Obviously there are many differences between the countries but it's easy to see why conceptually some might group some of them together into 2 large regions. Also Indians in America don't generally refer to themselves as Asians when speaking, so if their goal is to be perceived as Asian, they are not helping themselves.

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Post by umvi »

danso wrote: post #20
codegeek wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny you say that because in the US, Indians are not considered Asians in practice even though of course South Asia is, well in Asia. I have seen many people argue that Asians only mean East Asians and does not include South Asians. However, the official census lumps all Asians together.

How are Indians not considered “Asians in practice” when they are considered as such by the Census, the authoritative organization that sets the categorization standard?

Colloquially, in America, Asians are identified as having slanty eyes and white skin. Indians have brown skin and are therefore not colloquially referred to as Asians. Instead, they are referred to simply as "Indian".

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Post by eternalban »

codegeek wrote: post #9
yumraj wrote: post #2

I wonder why the headline says 'Asian' instead of saying Chinese, since all three researchers were Chinese with ties to China. As an ethic Indian, I'm kinda offended when all Asians are just lumped together as I believe it promotes general racism and bias against anyone from that continent .

Funny you say that because in the US, Indians are not considered Asians in practice even though of course South Asia is, well in Asia. I have seen many people argue that Asians only mean East Asians and does not include South Asians. However, the official census lumps all Asians together.

It is the 'Anglo Colonial Atlas of Races' masquerading as "geography". Middle East -- a geographic figment of colonial imagination -- is code word for 'lightly colored sand dwellers'. Asian means 'of the yellow races with strange eyes'.

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Post by haditab »

president wrote: post #19
sneak wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is racist to assume that someone’s place of birth determines their allegiances.

By your logic, people from all nations should be able to get top secret government security clearances. Let me know how that works out.

No. By his logic "birth place" shouldn't be the determining factor. FYI, birth place does not determine nationality.

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Post by IdontRememberIt »

pishpash wrote: post #24
IdontRememberIt wrote: post #8

I remember when I was young (+40 years ago), many Swiss private banks would only hire Swiss people. That rule was due to the French IRS equivalent having their own employees sent to Switzerland and hired by Swiss bank. They were mole transmitting confidential information about French clients. So these private banks had to restore trust and security. Honestly still today, for some critial jobs, I do not understand com…

Funny that, I've heard it that it's barbaric to use uninvolved family as blackmail for an individual's liabilities. Guess not when it's suggested by "non-Barbaric" peoples!

Not blackmail. Social Pressure.

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Post by leftyted »

awakeasleep wrote: post #23
codegeek wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny you say that because in the US, Indians are not considered Asians in practice even though of course South Asia is, well in Asia. I have seen many people argue that Asians only mean East Asians and does not include South Asians. However, the official census lumps all Asians together.

I believe you are spreading misinformation here. The Census Bureau determines ethnicity and race within America for legal purposes (including employment) Asians are people from 'the far east' 'southeast asia' and 'india' https://www.census.gov/mso/www/training/pdf/race-ethnicity-o... BY NO MEANS am I defending this, I believe much of our race 'stuff' is indefensibly stupid and unscientific from biological, historical…

It's not misinformation. Colloquially when people in the US say "asian" they are only rarely referring to Indians or Pakistanis or Bangladeshis. They are almost always referring to Chinese or Japanese or Koreans.

The census may use different groupings.

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