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Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by dalai »

majewsky wrote: post #30
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes your mileage may vary. haven't been in a situation where KDE or Gnome had something which I couldn't get done cheaper: just an idea of what happens if I were to install konqueror on a non-kde system: sudo apt-get install konqueror Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be installed: baloo-kf5 catdoc dolphin kactivities-bin ka…

This example is kind of unfair for two reasons: 1. Konqueror is basically the Swiss army knife of KDE. No wonder it pulls in everything and the kitchen sink. 2. You present an intimidatingly large package list to make your point, but that list is that long 'because KDE Frameworks (formerly known as kdelibs) is now deliberately packaged in a lot of tiny pieces to reduce the amount of libraries that an average applicat…

Well you can try the same with konsole. On my XFCE system it wants to install 71 packages, including stuff that a terminal emulator probably doesn't need like phonon. To be fair, this could also be due to Debian's packaging and it may well be possible to have a leaner konsole package.

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by Kaiyou »

fareesh wrote: post #3

I've been using Kubuntu since 18.04. The performance has been good i.e. much better than Ubuntu w/ Gnome, and most things are relatively painless/intuitive to setup when needed. KDE has some decent themes as well to get it to look a little more polished than the default theme.

I was an avid Kubuntu user in the KDE 3.X days over a decade ago. Some significant changes were made to the project poisoning the well for me, personally, since then. Still kind of curios: would the current KDE offer anything to a i3wm user?

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by StevePerkins »

virtualpain wrote: post #18

I'm not sure whether Xubuntu includes KDE's stuff or people here confused between Xubuntu and Kubuntu?

This thread is baffling. Most of the comment replies are about KDE, for which Kubuntu (with a "K") is a completely separate spin.

The XFCE-based Xubuntu spin includes nothing of KDE by default, and neither KDE or Kubuntu are mentioned in the linked article at all. Call me cynical, I just don't think most people clicked the link or even took a close enough look at the title here.

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by dalai »

willvarfar wrote: post #23

Whaoo I can't wait! Where does Xubuntu and Kubuntu stand, install-base-wise, compared to the default Ubuntu? And other distros, for that matter? I'm one of many people who left Ubuntu as soon as they started doing their big UI changes. I went to Xubuntu. But I have no bigger idea of which distro is hot anymore; once I settled on Xubuntu, I haven't really been shopping around for alternatives.

I have been trying mx linux the last two weeks or so. It is similar to Xubuntu, based on Debian Stable (which was a plus for me) with a polished XFCE desktop. So far I like it, especially some of the tools they have developed on top of Debian.

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by Zardoz84 »

Crinus wrote: post #14
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

last time I used kde was in 2002. I loved especially kmail and konqueror. Though I have eventually been turned off by the dependency hell of big DE's (not unique to kde and probably only an issue if you compile the DE yourself, ... though also annoying if you have 100+ base-packages/dependencies pulled in just because you want 1 tool). after moving to i3 I find it hard to look back. the level of customization I can d…

Is that 600MB of used RAM? Why is it so much? I've seen KDE environments use less than 400MB and when i use Window Maker i get something around 250MB or so. (all of them are ridiculous sizes considering something like Windows NT 4 needs 16MB of RAM for the entire system and applications to run while providing a ton of functionality out of the box, but still even relatively your setup looks to use a lot of memory)

Well I had working KDE 1 on a machine with 16MiB, and you can setup a working X11 + FVWM with 4MiB of RAM. Obviously using older versions of Linux kernel and userland.

More ridiculous could be a full GUI OS on a machine witch less RAM, like an Amiga 1000/500 or a early Macs.

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by phosphophyllite »

alex_duf wrote: post #19
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #13

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not sure if kde can be considered as having ever been lightweight. as far as I remember it was always one of the most heavy DE's around. edit: I'm rate-limted[x] from commenting for defending myself against people calling me a brown-nosed European and white supremacist so I can't really reply below to @Crinus: here reply inline: oh I didn't know about v1, I think the first version I used was kde2 and that was the hea…

Kubuntu => KDE Xubuntu => xfce

Can linux-desktop stand more fragmentation?

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by Zardoz84 »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #13
k__ wrote: post #2

Did they go back to the roots and made it more lightweight again?

not sure if kde can be considered as having ever been lightweight. as far as I remember it was always one of the most heavy DE's around. edit: I'm rate-limted[x] from commenting for defending myself against people calling me a brown-nosed European and white supremacist so I can't really reply below to @Crinus: here reply inline: oh I didn't know about v1, I think the first version I used was kde2 and that was the hea…

You forgot Enlightenment. Back to later 90's/early 2000's was the most heavier thanks to the quantity of FXs(Without using GPUs or composition...) that it had.

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by slezyr »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #25
slezyr wrote: post #24

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What is the point? Sometimes you need software that relies on KDE and there is no alternative for it.

yes your mileage may vary. haven't been in a situation where KDE or Gnome had something which I couldn't get done cheaper: just an idea of what happens if I were to install konqueror on a non-kde system: sudo apt-get install konqueror Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be installed: baloo-kf5 catdoc dolphin kactivities-bin ka…

Krita?... Mypaint isn't that good.

Edit. Or KCachegrind, okteta

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by majewsky »

dalai wrote: post #31
majewsky wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This example is kind of unfair for two reasons: 1. Konqueror is basically the Swiss army knife of KDE. No wonder it pulls in everything and the kitchen sink. 2. You present an intimidatingly large package list to make your point, but that list is that long 'because KDE Frameworks (formerly known as kdelibs) is now deliberately packaged in a lot of tiny pieces to reduce the amount of libraries that an average applicat…

Well you can try the same with konsole. On my XFCE system it wants to install 71 packages, including stuff that a terminal emulator probably doesn't need like phonon. To be fair, this could also be due to Debian's packaging and it may well be possible to have a leaner konsole package.

The Phonon dependency probably comes via libknotify.
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