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Re: The black hole picture is both an astonishing achievement and a deceptive image

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Post by pushpop » Sat, Apr 13, 2019, 6:46 PM UTC

cgriswald wrote: post #29

pushpop wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got your point and said it’s irrelevant nitpicking that completely ignores the definition I linked to in my first post. Sure, it might be a bit clickbaity but this trend of “I didn’t bother to read the article so I’m going to bitch and moan about the title instead” I’ve seen on HN is way worse than the title in question.

I think you should look at your definition again, because I did not ignore it. In the example given by the dictionary for your prefered definition, they use the word to modify an adjectivized object. Although written in a different form, it is functionally equivalent to the form adverb-adjective object of the example you gave ( i.e. "a deceptively curved line"). Hence, this is not 'irrelevant nitpicking' but attentio…

The fact that you concede the title can be read that way - even if it is begrudgingly - means your post is entirely made up of nitpicking and mental gymnastics (as you put it). Which means you’re being just as deceptive as the title you’re complaining about

Re: The black hole picture is both an astonishing achievement and a deceptive image

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Post by DONT_BE_A_MORON » Sat, Apr 13, 2019, 10:04 PM UTC

kurthr wrote: post #15

sk5t wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, from the other side of the peanut gallery, I think your outrage is misplaced. "Deception" needn't be malicious, and the title already calls this out as an "astonishing achievement."

I think you're trying to say that telling white lies is deception, but not malicious... however, in this case it is not the scientist nor the picture, but they claim nature that is malicious in showing us what we expect to see (or what the writers think we expect to see). "The temptation is to interpret the EHT image as a straightforward telescopic view of the hot accretion disk, seen from above, with the black hole…

11 giant fucking paragraphs of shit

and the author, if he wants to call it deceptive, should have just shopped what he thinks it shows, or just written it in a tweet

no idea what's in those 11 paragraphs, but the start of the first one sounds like someone reciting what they did over summer vacation. what a rambling idiot

Re: The black hole picture is both an astonishing achievement and a deceptive image

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Post by cmroanirgo » Sun, Apr 14, 2019, 12:49 PM UTC

jameshart wrote: post #4

The use of the word 'deceptive' in this headline is astonishingly disingenuous. I don't think the article intends to accuse the publishers of the image of deception, but the headline sure reads that way. The article is just trying to explain that imaging a black hole is inherently counterintuitive.

While it might appear click baitish, the opening paragraph certainly clarifies exactly what is meant:

> The groundbreaking picture of a black hole that graced most newspaper front pages on 11th April must be one of the most deceptive scientific images ever. That’s not to impute any intentional deceit to the international team of 200 or so astronomers who created it—it’s just that nature conspires here to produce something that looks archetypally, almost simplistically black-holeish, but which in reality is a mind-bendingly complex sight.

And the article then goes on to describe how such an image is deceptive (in its apparent simplicity), by describing the science behind it.