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Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not aware of any culture that encourages "widespread celibacy"–which ones are you talking about?

I had no concrete examples, I'm not even sure it happens; I was casting around to my fellow readers in case any of them knew of cultures where it does occur.

Shakers: they died out https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers

Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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>It also won’t do to point to changes over this time period that effected all ages and genders similarly, such as obesity, porn, video games, social media, dating apps, and wariness re harassment claims.

I think this is wrong. I don't believe these things effect all ages and genders similarly. For instance, I think we would find that the rate of young men playing video games and watching porn are much higher than for young women. I'm not saying that young women don't do these things, but I don't believe these things are engaged in at the same rates as young men.

Also, many older men are already married. Even if they do view porn at similar rates to young men, this might not affect the rate at which they are having sex with their wives. And, in my experience, older men and women are not playing video games at the same rates as young men.

Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only historical culture(s) with widespread non-religious celibacy among substantial portions of the population are Western European but widespread celibacy certainly existed there. It’s also a thing in the Buddhist and Hindu world but that was mostly a life stage rather than life long celibacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_European_marriage_patt... > The Western European marriage pattern is a family and…

Unless I'm missing something, there's nothing in your response that implies that Western Europe has widespread celibacy.

"in the decades after the Great Famine... as much as a third of Irishmen and a fourth of Irishwomen never married due to chronic economic problems that discouraged early marriage."

That is by most peoples' expectations widespread, up to some allowance for out-of-wedlock births (which the Catholic Church in Ireland famously acted forcefully against).

Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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I honestly believe the rise of incelibacy will lead to increasing destabilization of the US. There's nothing worse for a country than a bunch of lonely angry men without jobs and without sex.

China is far, far worse with the sex ratio being incredibly imbalanced due to the past one child policy. There's a number of documentaries about the craziness and competitiveness of dating in China. People not having sex, not having families (if they so desire) and not making enough money to be comfortable anywhere is a national emergency.

American men of any sort can just go to Brazil, Mexico, Ukraine or the Czech Republic... where an endless supply of objectively-attractive women are willing to hookup with foreigners for very little or no relative cost. (Prague 10's for 60€/hour.) Rent a huge villa for cheap for a few weeks in Central and South America, the girls beat down your door like they're meeting a celebrity... they will bring their girlfriends if you ask them for a good old hellraising.

LDOW (older women) from the US visit Jamaica, Haiti, Costa Rica and parts of Africa for sex tourism, formally or informally, because of the abundance of fit men.

I think frustrated dudes need a shift in attitude, a more open-mind and make an effort for their own sake. A more pleasing personality, better social adroitness and improved awareness goes a long ways to many things in life.

Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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There is no longer an average, middle, median, etc. Hookup culture has consequences; before it was possible for an undesirable male to mate with a female, with the institution of marriage.

So you end up with a society where everyone is unhappy. The hookup culture devalues the woman, competing for a slice of a shrinking desirable pool of men, while the undesirable men become angry and frustrated. But desirability is more about status IMO. Status can be decoupled from wealth and the economy. If you’re not playing the status game, even if you’re wealthy, women will not find you attractive.

Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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post #26

As the article points out, fewer young men are having sex, but roughly the same number of young women are having sex. I wonder if dating apps (Tinder, Bumble, etc.) are leading women to have sex with a smaller cohort of desirable men. Years ago, OkCupid noted that a small percentage of men get an overwhelming percentage of messages from women. With the rise of "swipe right, swipe left" mobile dating apps, where peopl…

I've noticed this disparity within my friend circles. The objectively attractive men match/sleep with multiple woman a month where almost all of the men with near average looks get approximately zero matches. Interesting indeed. My female friends match with almost every male regardless.

Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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post #15

My theory is that it could be related to the economy getting worse. My belief is that women are generally more likely to have sex with someone that they consider to be viable long-term reproductive partners or marriage material. Fewer men have the financial success and stability that many women are looking for in a serious relationship that would make them comfortable with routine sex.

Do any economic indicators correlate with these data?
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