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Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now

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Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now

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Post by karambahh »

marios wrote: post #14
xchip wrote: post #2

I live in Brussels, internet over 4G works great and nobody complains about it being slow. I am willing to change my mind if somebody proves why we need to upgrade but (and as much as I love new tech) "if ain't broken dont touch it", if anything just make it cheaper.

4G, just like 3G before it will get slower over time. The spectrum is still shared, and the more devices are connected on the 4G bands, the less bandwith there is for each device. IMHO, 5G is not so much about speed as it is about latency and better handling of devices in high density areas. Regarding the speed aspect, keep in mind that most smartphones (which are the primary 4G connected devices) are not equipped wi…

In Belgium, DAB TV has or is being retired because the whole country is equipped with cable tv.

It leaves more spectrum for 4G communications.

Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now

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Post by holografix »

Having lived in Brussels for a year now and witnessing sidewalks covered in trash and bad air quality I’m quite cynical of politicians waxing lyrical about protecting their constituent’s health. I think the last paragraph in that article holds more weight.

“Last week, the various governments in Belgium once again failed to reach agreement on the auctioning of the 5G licences. The file remains stuck on the distribution of the proceeds. It will be up to the next government to handle the proposal, said Telecom Minister Philippe De Backer (Open VLD) last week.“

Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now

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Post by DataWorker »

typon wrote: post #23
hannob wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

have you also tried to blind-test standing beside one that's switched off and on? Because plenty of people say they can "feel" cellphone radiation (so-called electrosensitivity), yet noone has ever been able to show this under controlled scientific conditions. As soon as they don't know if the radiation is there they stop feeling it.

Similar to the studies done on infrasound, which seems to bother residents living near wind farms. The studies show that the biggest indicator of whether you're affected by infrasound is if you're told there is infrasound being emitted...

Studies show eggs are healthy. Now studies say they aren’t. Science is difficult and often gets impacted by market forces. Perhaps this is even more of a concern with psychological research such as the studies you are referring to.

Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

aphextron wrote: post #29
benevol wrote: post #3

You might want to sign the international petition [0] and the petition for Switzerland [1]. [0] https://www.5gspaceappeal.org/the-appeal [1] https://www.change.org/p/p%C3%A9tition-contre-la-5g-et-ses-d...

This whole nonsense just makes me irrationally angry. It’s a serious education issue we have with the absolute basics of electromagnetism. It’s just magic to most people and so they treat it with pure superstition.

Why so? I checked the link in the petition:

https://emfscientist.org/index.php/emf-scientist-appeal

There are plenty of scientists asking for more testing and international coordination regarding the guidelines as to what EM levels and frequencies can be considered "safe" for humans. Given he fact that our activity in these areas constantly increases, it is a prudent approach, even if you could call it conservative. If we adopted the same approach in other areas, we could have saved lives. I'm not saying EM radiation is like lead or asbestos, but vehement negation of certain documented risks and aggressive lobbying by the industry makes me wonder what our - as a humanity - priorities should be.

Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now

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Post by chii »

thefounder wrote: post #15
xchip wrote: post #2

I live in Brussels, internet over 4G works great and nobody complains about it being slow. I am willing to change my mind if somebody proves why we need to upgrade but (and as much as I love new tech) "if ain't broken dont touch it", if anything just make it cheaper.

Once 8k streaming becomes popular 5G will be a must.

> Once 8k streaming

8k on a mobile device doesn't seem all that logical imho. 720p or 1080p is already pretty good on a tiny screen.

Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now

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Post by Symmetry »

xchip wrote: post #6
_lbaq wrote: post #4

Wonder what this decision is baserad on, its non-ionized radiation and may confuse bees etc but humans ....?

On the paper that is true but still the FCC seems to have some concerns + https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/wireless-devices-and-he... + https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/human-exposure-radio-fr...

Those guidelines are all about the heating effects of microwave radiation on flesh, the same way that an animal placed in a microwave oven would be injured or killed. And the FCC has established a limit for exposure of 1.6 W/kg where we can be sure that you aren't anywhere near having parts of you cooked.

Sufficiently intense microwave exposure can be a health hazard but there's nothing subtle about it, like there is with ionizing radiation which can make you sick days or weeks after exposure or give you cancer.

For 5G in particular the radio waves will tend to not penetrate as far into you body. Some militarizes have actually developed non-lethal crowd control weapons that cause a burning sensation in the victims' skins with the same sort of ~100GHz waves used by 5G but at a much, much higher power than the FCC would allow for consumer devices.

Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now

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Post by msla »

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #34
aphextron wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This whole nonsense just makes me irrationally angry. It’s a serious education issue we have with the absolute basics of electromagnetism. It’s just magic to most people and so they treat it with pure superstition.

Why so? I checked the link in the petition: https://emfscientist.org/index.php/emf-scientist-appeal There are plenty of scientists asking for more testing and international coordination regarding the guidelines as to what EM levels and frequencies can be considered "safe" for humans. Given he fact that our activity in these areas constantly increases, it is a prudent approach, even if you could call it conservative.…

And the equivalent idea applied to vaccines gets us measles outbreaks.

Anyone can "Just Ask Questions" about anything: You don't need to know anything, you don't need to have a coherent theory of your own, you just need to bury the people trying to do something in questions which can be answered by a simple review of what's already known.

Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now

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Post by door5 »

msla wrote: post #38
dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why so? I checked the link in the petition: https://emfscientist.org/index.php/emf-scientist-appeal There are plenty of scientists asking for more testing and international coordination regarding the guidelines as to what EM levels and frequencies can be considered "safe" for humans. Given he fact that our activity in these areas constantly increases, it is a prudent approach, even if you could call it conservative.…

And the equivalent idea applied to vaccines gets us measles outbreaks. Anyone can "Just Ask Questions" about anything: You don't need to know anything, you don't need to have a coherent theory of your own, you just need to bury the people trying to do something in questions which can be answered by a simple review of what's already known.

There's a lot of anti-cell phone radiation cranks, but to compare the research to anti-vaxxers is disingenuous. Mainstream publications have raised legitimate questions about it and the research is far from conclusive:

https://www.thenation.com/article/how-big-wireless-made-us-t...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/health/cell-phones-cancer...

Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now

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Post by mrtksn »

holografix wrote: post #32

Having lived in Brussels for a year now and witnessing sidewalks covered in trash and bad air quality I’m quite cynical of politicians waxing lyrical about protecting their constituent’s health. I think the last paragraph in that article holds more weight. “Last week, the various governments in Belgium once again failed to reach agreement on the auctioning of the 5G licences. The file remains stuck on the distributio…

This sounds like a fallacy. Should they also allow asbestos because the sidewalks are covered in trash anyway?
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