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Oral sex is associated with reduced incidence of recurrent miscarriage

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Re: Oral sex is associated with reduced incidence of recurrent miscarriage

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Post by 1000units »

coldtea wrote: post #29
1000units wrote: post #22

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This is an overly simplistic, optimistic view of disease. Method of exposure matters significantly. Note how heterosexual couples virtually never have to worry about HIV, for example, if you're unfamiliar with this concept.

> Note how heterosexual couples virtually never have to worry about HIV, for example, if you're unfamiliar with this concept. Yeah, that's not how HIV (or heterosexual couples) work...

I'm sorry, I do not understand what you're trying to imply.

Re: Oral sex is associated with reduced incidence of recurrent miscarriage

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Post by 1000units »

astura wrote: post #28
xutopia wrote: post #13

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If you are worried about it get the Gardasil vaccine. It is 600$ in my country and I got it out of pocket because I think it's a great idea for anyone mildly active sexually.

Gardasil is only effective if you haven't been exposed to HPV yet, so excellent for young people, less effective in preventing cancer for older people. It also doesn't prevent all strains of HPV.

Vaccination is recommended before one's first sexual encounter, which happens at a very young age for many people. I was a goner before I even knew about it. I don't want other people to suffer the same fate.

People should be making a bigger deal out of HPV, not dismissing it like elsewhere in this thread.

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Post by lenticular »

1000units wrote: post #25

Why is this flagged? I feel HN has been deviating from its official charter in avoiding remotely controversial topics. This is a medical research article from a reputable journal. If we can't discuss something like this, I'm looking for a new forum.

It's obvious p-hacking. This study is crap.

Re: Oral sex is associated with reduced incidence of recurrent miscarriage

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Post by coldtea »

1000units wrote: post #30
seba_dos1 wrote: post #26

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> Note how heterosexual couples virtually never have to worry about HIV I think you may be in for some bad news.

Please elaborate if you have the opportunity. How many strictly heterosexual couples have been infected with HIV in the history of mankind? I'm aware there must be some due to IV drug abuse.

>How many strictly heterosexual couples have been infected with HIV in the history of mankind?

Several tens of millions (most of them in Africa), why?

Re: Oral sex is associated with reduced incidence of recurrent miscarriage

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Post by 1000units »

coldtea wrote: post #34
1000units wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please elaborate if you have the opportunity. How many strictly heterosexual couples have been infected with HIV in the history of mankind? I'm aware there must be some due to IV drug abuse.

> How many strictly heterosexual couples have been infected with HIV in the history of mankind? Several tens of millions (most of them in Africa), why?

Do you have any statistics on this you can refer me to? The CDC estimates the transmission risk for receptive PIV intercourse to be about 8 in 10,000 exposures (0.08%). It's half that for the insertive partner.

Re: Oral sex is associated with reduced incidence of recurrent miscarriage

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Post by Not_a_pizza »

konschubert wrote: post #5

Isn’t that just a correlation that they discovered? Aren’t there thousands of hidden variables that could explain this correlation without a causal relationship? Isn’t that a pretty weak p Value ? I just read the abstract and might have mis-interpreted it. But on a first glance this looks like an April fools joke.

There is some psychology to this. I mean someone that is already healthy is more likely to do a greater amount of sexual things. If you're sick you're not going to be as sexual. Also, being sickly more common or unwell should already put you on unsteady ground when carrying a baby.

Additionally, a woman who has had more intimate exposure to her husband is probably less likely to have negative reactions to a fetus which they have created, judging from basic adaptive immunology.

Re: Oral sex is associated with reduced incidence of recurrent miscarriage

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Post by 1000units »

lenticular wrote: post #33
1000units wrote: post #25

Why is this flagged? I feel HN has been deviating from its official charter in avoiding remotely controversial topics. This is a medical research article from a reputable journal. If we can't discuss something like this, I'm looking for a new forum.

It's obvious p-hacking. This study is crap.

That's a convenient excuse. I suspect the real issue is people don't want to see scholarship on female microchimerism regardless of quality.

Re: Oral sex is associated with reduced incidence of recurrent miscarriage

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Post by AstralStorm »

tomp wrote: post #19
konschubert wrote: post #5

Isn’t that just a correlation that they discovered? Aren’t there thousands of hidden variables that could explain this correlation without a causal relationship? Isn’t that a pretty weak p Value ? I just read the abstract and might have mis-interpreted it. But on a first glance this looks like an April fools joke.

Well this idea has been around for a while. I always foundit a bit iffy... like, human sperm is one of the most innocent things people get in their mouths/digestive tracts... so if that can influence your immune system (and making it less effective at that), what will eating some wild viruses-containing meat or bacteria-covered fruit do?!

We typically try it to render it inert by cooking and cutting out glands.

See, sperm contains hormone-like peptides, evolved for humans to react to. You do not generally eat concentrated amounts thereof. (At least didn't...)

Re: Oral sex is associated with reduced incidence of recurrent miscarriage

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Post by salex89 »

coldtea wrote: post #21
1000units wrote: post #9

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Why is this downvoted? This is both absolutely true and incredibly important. It's literally a matter of life and death. edit: If you are downvoting this as an emotional reaction to something you haven't considered before, please consider calming down and examining the evidence with a rational mind. Your health and that of the people you love are at risk.

First, hardly a matter of "life and death". It merely increases still very small odds. Second, it's not oral sex that increases the odds, it's papillomavirus, which can be transmitted through oral sex (but also through other means of sex, including kissing). You could have oral sex with someone that doesn't have the papillomavirus as often as you want, and you wouldn't get cancer from. In fact even sticking to a sing…

I know that HPV causes it, not oral sex by itself, I just didn't elaborate enough.

It is true that vigorous kissing can maybe lead to HPV, but you have to get the virus to the mouth in the first place...

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