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How Gmail Happened (2014)

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Re: How Gmail Happened (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's be honest, it's also a big way they build data on you and show you targeted ads so I'm sure it pays for itself without direct revenue.

They do not scan the contents of mail for advertising purposes (consumer as of 2? years ago, and for paid gsuite I don't recall them ever doing this).

Yeah, sure they don't...

Re: How Gmail Happened (2014)

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post #6

Let's not forget the Outlook web team who pretty much started the whole ajax/web2.0 thing in the first place with IXMLHttpRequest.

Did Outlook team have any idea they where inventing their largest competitor?

Re: How Gmail Happened (2014)

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I was just reading something about all the defunct and abandoned google projects. So now "How Gmail Happened" reads to me like gmail too is done and gone, something that happened in the past but is no longer happening. I guess that day will come eventually. Maybe tomorrow? I never know what google is thinking when it comes to cancellations.

Nope that's never going to happen, Gmail is the cornerstone of G Suite. As of January 2017, G Suite has 4 million paying businesses, and 70 million G Suite for Education users.

That doesn't seem to preclude that it could become an enterprise-only product

Re: How Gmail Happened (2014)

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Interactive web pages-exactly what it’s used for in GMail. It was given the name XMLHttpRequest because it was a last-minute addition and the only way to get a feature into Internet Explorer that late in the product cycle was to make it XML-related. Which it obviously wasn’t, but that was how to get it approved. Source: Was a Microsoft employee at the time, though not on the IE team.

Back then most APIs (that I used) were in XML. It definitely seemed XML related.

It's funny how in those days XML was also short hand for "make way guys, this is the future".

I thought it was a really overhyped and ugly way to represent data, but this did not seem like a popular thing to express. In retrospect, standardizing on something was probably a good thing for the time though.

Re: How Gmail Happened (2014)

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's be honest, it's also a big way they build data on you and show you targeted ads so I'm sure it pays for itself without direct revenue.

They do not scan the contents of mail for advertising purposes (consumer as of 2? years ago, and for paid gsuite I don't recall them ever doing this).

Just wondering how you would know that they do or do not do that?

Re: How Gmail Happened (2014)

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I was just reading something about all the defunct and abandoned google projects. So now "How Gmail Happened" reads to me like gmail too is done and gone, something that happened in the past but is no longer happening. I guess that day will come eventually. Maybe tomorrow? I never know what google is thinking when it comes to cancellations.

Nope that's never going to happen, Gmail is the cornerstone of G Suite. As of January 2017, G Suite has 4 million paying businesses, and 70 million G Suite for Education users.

I see no reason to cancel it or not, but those numbers seem pretty small relative to google's general user base and revenue.

I have no idea if or why they would cancel it or not, just saying that the numbers you gave seem like small potatoes. Then again Google really needs to show alternatives to advertising revenue (e.g. why Nest was brought onto Google's balance sheet).

Re: How Gmail Happened (2014)

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post #2

Discussed at the time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7506270

The top comments on that thread discuss the importance of owning your email address by way of using a custom domain, so you can move to a new providers and not worry about losing contacts or missing emails. I fully agree with that. Back in 2014, both Outlook and Gmail had free family plans with custom domain capability, but have since removed those options. Is there a good low-cost option for custom domain email in 2…

Yandex email is free, even if you want to bring your own domain. https://connect.yandex.com/pdd/

Re: How Gmail Happened (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do not scan the contents of mail for advertising purposes (consumer as of 2? years ago, and for paid gsuite I don't recall them ever doing this).

Just wondering how you would know that they do or do not do that?

They are pretty explicit about it here https://gsuite.google.com/learn-more/security/security-white...

Re: How Gmail Happened (2014)

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post #6

Let's not forget the Outlook web team who pretty much started the whole ajax/web2.0 thing in the first place with IXMLHttpRequest.

What was their initial impetus for this? I'm curious what functionality they were trying achieve.

HN(2013) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5626079 See also: http://web.archive.org/web/20070623125327/http://www.alexhop...

Re: How Gmail Happened (2014)

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Just wondering how you would know that they do or do not do that?

They are pretty explicit about it here https://gsuite.google.com/learn-more/security/security-white...

Does that include those of us lucky enough to sign up prior to them actually charging for g-suite and being grandfathered into. Free plan for up to 10 users?
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