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San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

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Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

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Post by stevejb »

yellowapple wrote: post #28
mark212 wrote: post #21

This blog post is highly misleading and inaccurate. Access to the video is very limited and subject to strict protocols for use in investigations. And the audio recording capacity isn’t live because the City has no use for it. The SD Reader isn’t a very trustworthy source. Here’s the U-T’s extensive piece on the topic: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversatio...

"Access to the video is very limited and subject to strict protocols for use in investigations." That's what they all say. It's an empty platitude at best. "the audio recording capability isn't live" Yet . It is still present, though, and could become live should San Diego decide it to be useful.

Yes exactly this. The "trust us, we are very careful with this ability to spy on you" should be taken with a grain of salt.

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

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Post by shittyadmin »

Maybe this will be viewed as too anti-social, but has anyone considered doing laser based attacks on these? Lasers seem to be able to damage camera sensors fairly easily and permanently and as they operate in the visible light range should be hard to block. Could make a system like this prohibitively expensive to operate.

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

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Post by unstatusthequo »

shittyadmin wrote: post #33

Maybe this will be viewed as too anti-social, but has anyone considered doing laser based attacks on these? Lasers seem to be able to damage camera sensors fairly easily and permanently and as they operate in the visible light range should be hard to block. Could make a system like this prohibitively expensive to operate.

Until they arrest and fine you for damaging government property...

The way to fight this is with votes or in courts, which may not be effective in short term but doesn’t land you in jail.

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

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Post by lysium »

mark212 wrote: post #21

This blog post is highly misleading and inaccurate. Access to the video is very limited and subject to strict protocols for use in investigations. And the audio recording capacity isn’t live because the City has no use for it. The SD Reader isn’t a very trustworthy source. Here’s the U-T’s extensive piece on the topic: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversatio...

It has an impact on your behavior in public no matter if the camera is on or off, because you cannot be sure.

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

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Post by pugworthy »

unstatusthequo wrote: post #34
shittyadmin wrote: post #33

Maybe this will be viewed as too anti-social, but has anyone considered doing laser based attacks on these? Lasers seem to be able to damage camera sensors fairly easily and permanently and as they operate in the visible light range should be hard to block. Could make a system like this prohibitively expensive to operate.

Until they arrest and fine you for damaging government property... The way to fight this is with votes or in courts, which may not be effective in short term but doesn’t land you in jail.

Neither votes nor courts enabled this - governments just did it, and will just do things like this without asking (nor sometimes checking).

The challenge in a way is how can we ever vote for or fight against (in court) things we don't even know exist sometimes?

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

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Post by lexicality »

SEJeff wrote: post #30

If you're into citywide streetlight sensor networks, Chicago undertook a huge initiative dubbed the "Array Of Things": https://arrayofthings.github.io/ It was specifically designed to not have cameras however, to assuage privacy advocates.

That very clearly has both cameras and microphones.

It claims the data is local to each node, but you've only got their word about what firmware is running on each node.

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

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Post by mises »

mark212 wrote: post #21

This blog post is highly misleading and inaccurate. Access to the video is very limited and subject to strict protocols for use in investigations. And the audio recording capacity isn’t live because the City has no use for it. The SD Reader isn’t a very trustworthy source. Here’s the U-T’s extensive piece on the topic: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversatio...

> Access to the video is very limited and subject to strict protocols for use in investigations. And the audio recording capacity isn’t live because the City has no use for it.

How did placing this kind of trust in our government work when we last tried it (patriot act & fisa)?

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

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Post by zzzcpan »

unstatusthequo wrote: post #34
shittyadmin wrote: post #33

Maybe this will be viewed as too anti-social, but has anyone considered doing laser based attacks on these? Lasers seem to be able to damage camera sensors fairly easily and permanently and as they operate in the visible light range should be hard to block. Could make a system like this prohibitively expensive to operate.

Until they arrest and fine you for damaging government property... The way to fight this is with votes or in courts, which may not be effective in short term but doesn’t land you in jail.

They will always find what to arrest you for if you threaten their power.

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

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Post by fbonetti »

01100011 wrote: post #23
trhway wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With modern LED the small battery powered headlamp I have on a headband is like a headlight of the cars of the past :)

Headlamps can be dangerous because the shadows are in the same plane as your vision. I gave up using them for hiking because they didn't help me see drop-offs. You're better off with a light in your hand or on your waist.

Just get a headlamp that can be angled down.
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