Turkey removed DST in 2017 after 47 years, and it did not cause much trouble.
European MPs vote to end summer time clock changes
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Re: European MPs vote to end summer time clock changes
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Under the new legislation, governments opting to make summer time permanent would adjust their clocks for the last time on the last Sunday in March 2021. For those choosing permanent standard time - also called winter time - the final clock change would be on the last Sunday of October 2021. It's down to the member states to decide but I think most would prefer summer; save for maybe the Nordics, where the vast dif…
Even in the Nordics, eternal summer time would be preferrable for most people I think. It gives you more sunlight in the afternoon (if I'm not mistaken), when you actually have some free time to utilize that fact. Who cares if it's light or dark in the morning, nobody is outside enjoying the weather at that time anyway, we're just trying to get everyone to school/work.
In my county (Östergötland), the sun starts rising at 3am around this time of year; so, the concept of it being light or dark in the morning (or afternoon/night) isn't really a concern (overall).
In places like Kiruna, the sun will never set for about two weeks[0], during the summertime.
It's the amount of actual daytime during the winter that would principally matter - in the overall scheme of things.
[0] - https://www.kirunalapland.se/en/see-do/midnight-sun-2/
Re: European MPs vote to end summer time clock changes
#33>The proposal would give each member state a choice from 2021: either to keep the current summer time system or scrap the twice-yearly clock changes So if you travelled vertically within a timezone, you could end up going back and forth by an hour repeatedly, depending on the state’s decision made here? Truly, a design made by committee.
This is already the case. Travelling across Europe, you would go back and forth between the current date and VG Day 1945.
Re: European MPs vote to end summer time clock changes
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Under the new legislation, governments opting to make summer time permanent would adjust their clocks for the last time on the last Sunday in March 2021. For those choosing permanent standard time - also called winter time - the final clock change would be on the last Sunday of October 2021. It's down to the member states to decide but I think most would prefer summer; save for maybe the Nordics, where the vast dif…
Iceland is not in the EU. And also has no land borders with member states. So it doesn't really matter what they choose to do from a Europe-wide perspective.
Fixed. I didn't realise they had frozen their application.
Re: European MPs vote to end summer time clock changes
#35RIP 0h Game Jam [*]
Re: European MPs vote to end summer time clock changes
#36>The proposal would give each member state a choice from 2021: either to keep the current summer time system or scrap the twice-yearly clock changes So if you travelled vertically within a timezone, you could end up going back and forth by an hour repeatedly, depending on the state’s decision made here? Truly, a design made by committee.
That's the case currently in the US year-round as the timezone borders aren't nice, straight lines and no one seems to have a problem with it. For example, traveling North through Western Indiana.
Re: European MPs vote to end summer time clock changes
#37>The proposal would give each member state a choice from 2021: either to keep the current summer time system or scrap the twice-yearly clock changes So if you travelled vertically within a timezone, you could end up going back and forth by an hour repeatedly, depending on the state’s decision made here? Truly, a design made by committee.
Arizona doesn't observe DST, but it contains the Navajo Nation which does[0], and in turn contains the Hopi Reservation which doesn't. So you can go back and forth by an hour within a single US state . [0]The Navajo Nation extends into Utah and New Mexico, which observe DST, so this lets the Navajo Nation maintain a single time throughout.
I like this, in a crazy way, despite having argued elsewhere for consistency... Makes me wonder, if Italy and Austria ended up choosing different time zones, would the ethnic Austrians living in Süd-Tirol get their own time zone too?
Re: European MPs vote to end summer time clock changes
#38People often say they would rather have permanent summer time, but from observation it seems everyone sets their rhythm around solar noon regardless, so why not make noon = noon. During the summer months Spain's solar noon is between 2 and 2:30pm. Guess what time Spaniards sit down to eat lunch? In the summer the UKs solar noon is around 1pm, guess what time all the office workers pour out on the streets to eat lunch.
Re: European MPs vote to end summer time clock changes
#39People often say they would rather have permanent summer time, but from observation it seems everyone sets their rhythm around solar noon regardless, so why not make noon = noon. During the summer months Spain's solar noon is between 2 and 2:30pm. Guess what time Spaniards sit down to eat lunch? In the summer the UKs solar noon is around 1pm, guess what time all the office workers pour out on the streets to eat lunch…
Because in the northern latitudes there is no such thing as 'noon'.
Re: European MPs vote to end summer time clock changes
#40>The proposal would give each member state a choice from 2021: either to keep the current summer time system or scrap the twice-yearly clock changes So if you travelled vertically within a timezone, you could end up going back and forth by an hour repeatedly, depending on the state’s decision made here? Truly, a design made by committee.
That's so very common.
In North America, for example, there are (admittedly not very populous) mountain time regions that are north of areas that observe both Alaska time, which is 2 hours behind, and Eastern time, which is 2 hours ahead.
If you want to complain about bouncing back-and-forth across a single time zone boundary by going north and south, as someone who's lived almost their entire life in various places along the Central/Eastern time border, all I can really offer is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Committee or not, it's gonna happen. Because there are so many reasons beyond simple longitude to pick a time zone.