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Apple's Reinvention as a Services Company Starts for Real Monday

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Re: Apple's Reinvention as a Services Company Starts for Real Monday

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Post by anongraddebt »

Perhaps I'm overly critical, but I find most paywalled journalism (let alone non-paywalled) to be low-quality. I had a subscription to The Information, and while I initially found their journalism to be high-quality, I eventually realized this perception was strongly shaped by my experience of pervasive low-quality journalism elsewhere. I cancelled my subscription because while The Information was better than pretty much anything else, it still didn't seem high-quality (more moderate-quality).

Is there anything that surpasses the quality of The Economist in this environment?*

*(not that The Economist is clearly non-relatively high-quality)

Re: Apple's Reinvention as a Services Company Starts for Real Monday

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Post by pmalynin »

ksec wrote: post #19

I continue to wonder why they don't have or push iPhone as a Services ( The iPhone Upgrade Programme ) and continue to rely on mostly Carriers for Financing. By offering iPhone up to a 4 years terms and bundled with AppleCare+ Thief and Loss and iCloud Backup. With Optional Apple Music, Apple News Magazine, Apple TV and Apple Game. All paid via an Apple Branded Credit Card within Apple Pay backed by Goldman Sachs. Yo…

Huh, I dont know where you are, but here in the States I got my iPhone through 0% financing (amortized over 2 years) program that allows you to get a new phone every year and comes bundled with AppleCare+

Re: Apple's Reinvention as a Services Company Starts for Real Monday

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Post by subdane »

If Apple's going to be a services company now, wouldn't it be great if they kept themselves honest (and their products great) by honoring a level playing field for the services they compete with e.g. Spotify? Imagine if services like iCloud, Pages and Mail were comparable to or better than the existing product landscape? Apple's been holding themselves to too low a standard for too long. Maps was a wakeup call for them, it'd be cool if they lit a fire like that across the board for their products.

Re: Apple's Reinvention as a Services Company Starts for Real Monday

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Post by joegahona »

msoad wrote: post #13

if Apple combines Music, News and TV subscriptions into one payment that's competitive with sum of those subscriptions it's huge! I would probably drop Spotify and get Apple Music if I can save me money and give me more access to content. Uh, if it works with their Family Sharing plans it would be golden!

I think that’s the key to this thing’s success. There’s no way enough people are going to pay $120 per year for newspaper/magazine articles to make it worthwhile for publishers or for users.

Re: Apple's Reinvention as a Services Company Starts for Real Monday

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Post by com2kid »

scarface74 wrote: post #29
elektor wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, both Netflix and Spotify are in a tough position where their rivals (Apple and Amazon) have a much larger war chest to chip away at the market leaders of both movies and music streaming.

Spotify is in a much worse competitive position than Netflix. Nothing separates Spotify from Apple Music. Any competitor can license music from all of the music providers. There is no reason for most people to keep both Spotify and Apple Music. Netflix has spent years negotiating TV rights to third party content and releasing its own. Apple has a long way to go.

> Any competitor can license music from all of the music providers. There is no reason for most people to keep both Spotify and Apple Music.

Android is 81% of the US market.

Unless Apple Music comes to android, I don't see Spotify being threatened.

Re: Apple's Reinvention as a Services Company Starts for Real Monday

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Post by intopieces »

joegahona wrote: post #24

> Apple News: This service will combine stories from newspapers, websites, and magazines into a new tab in the Apple News app on iPhones, iPads, and Macs. I still don’t understand how this is any different from what’s happening in the Apple News app right now, other than it will cost $10 per month starting on Monday and is now free. Also, the Texture app requires that you _download_ issues of magazines, whereas magaz…

Access to paywalled content for a single fee.

Re: Apple's Reinvention as a Services Company Starts for Real Monday

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Post by gisely »

onetimemanytime wrote: post #5

Brilliant and the only thing left, short of another iPhone reinvention miracle (not likely for a while.) Many of us have 10 year old PCs that do 100% of the things we need, smartphones are going that way too. So milk the ecosystem.

So rent seeking is brilliant?

Re: Apple's Reinvention as a Services Company Starts for Real Monday

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Post by ksec »

pmalynin wrote: post #32
ksec wrote: post #19

I continue to wonder why they don't have or push iPhone as a Services ( The iPhone Upgrade Programme ) and continue to rely on mostly Carriers for Financing. By offering iPhone up to a 4 years terms and bundled with AppleCare+ Thief and Loss and iCloud Backup. With Optional Apple Music, Apple News Magazine, Apple TV and Apple Game. All paid via an Apple Branded Credit Card within Apple Pay backed by Goldman Sachs. Yo…

Huh, I dont know where you are, but here in the States I got my iPhone through 0% financing (amortized over 2 years) program that allows you to get a new phone every year and comes bundled with AppleCare+

The iPhone upgrade Programme which I presume is what you are referring to are not popular outside US, and Apple barely advertise about it. ( Which is why I said push in the original sentence ) And it is only available in selected countries and under some condition.

Re: Apple's Reinvention as a Services Company Starts for Real Monday

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Post by jkestner »

com2kid wrote: post #35
scarface74 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotify is in a much worse competitive position than Netflix. Nothing separates Spotify from Apple Music. Any competitor can license music from all of the music providers. There is no reason for most people to keep both Spotify and Apple Music. Netflix has spent years negotiating TV rights to third party content and releasing its own. Apple has a long way to go.

> Any competitor can license music from all of the music providers. There is no reason for most people to keep both Spotify and Apple Music. Android is 81% of the US market. Unless Apple Music comes to android, I don't see Spotify being threatened.

Consider them threatened. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.apple.andr...

Re: Apple's Reinvention as a Services Company Starts for Real Monday

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Post by stcredzero »

subdane wrote: post #33

If Apple's going to be a services company now, wouldn't it be great if they kept themselves honest (and their products great) by honoring a level playing field for the services they compete with e.g. Spotify? Imagine if services like iCloud, Pages and Mail were comparable to or better than the existing product landscape? Apple's been holding themselves to too low a standard for too long. Maps was a wakeup call for th…

If Apple's going to be a services company now, wouldn't it be great if they kept themselves honest (and their products great) by honoring a level playing field for the services they compete with e.g. Spotify?

I think this sentence speaks for itself. Apple's record on whether they will discourage competitors on their own turf speaks for itself.

Maps was a wakeup call for them, it'd be cool if they lit a fire like that across the board for their products.

True, but the tendency is for people and companies to push it out of their minds as an "aberration" and refuse to learn a thing.

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