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Reasons Not to Use Apple (2018)

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Re: Reasons Not to Use Apple (2018)

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post #9

Most of the reasons in that list are ideological, not technical. I mean, I like listening to RMS, but prefer my choice of technology to be governed by technical reasons, not by what a company does in China or in Russia. Incidentally, given a choice between an Apple machine and a well-functioning GNU/Linux machine I would pick the latter.

>well-functioning GNU/Linux machine I would pick the latter.

I love ubuntu server, but cannot do Linux desktop. Maybe you can provide some thoughts-

>Mouse acceleration is not the same as Windows Mouse Acceleration. Too much starcraft... sure... but I could not get my perfect mouse settings.

>Stuff doesnt work. From Netflix needing a weekend worth of googling to work, to other things that required additional commands, things take longer than Windows.

>Things break. I used to say, an Ubuntu Desktop install has 9 lives. Everytime you reboot you spend one of them.

Anyway, would love to go to Linux, but I found the Microsoft Desktop experience better. (and apparently worth 100$)

Re: Reasons Not to Use Apple (2018)

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1. Apple takes privacy and data safety seriously. It invests a significant amount of engineering effort into keeping user data safe. It doesn't comply with government requests unless forced, after deploying its vast legal means to hold them back.

2. Other consumer electronics devices aren't built in factories that are any different or better than those of Foxconn. While it doesn't absolve Apple from taking some responsibility, RMS should have called for avoiding mobile devices altogether if he's so worried about personnel abuse.

3. Fortunately or not, digital platforms aren't exempt from real world rules and laws. If something is prohibited in some territory, we can't seriously expect foreign companies who do business there to ignore local laws and regulations. Would you be so lenient towards a Chinese company which operates in USA disregarding all intellectual property laws? About a Japanese media company operating in Europe that markets material that would constitute underaged pornography?

4. We need to respect sovereignty and local customs. If there's a lesson to be learnt from the Arab Spring uprisings and their incredibly bloody outcomes is that freedom of information requires a certain societal foundation, and can't be thought of as an absolute universal value. Even the Western world is in a disarray following the information propagation offered by online platforms; to expect a society with much weaker civil institution and foundations to face the same challenges is wrong. Therefore, when Apple is asked to block content in China by the local authorities and complies, it's not any more than respecting the rule of the land.

The alternative to that is that the Chinese would create their own Apple (which they of course do), and that's worse for everyone at the end. It leads to a bisected global economy in the style of the Iron Curtain. I'd much rather have Apple operating in China and constantly pushing against government regulation than see the Chinese setting up their own Apple run by government cronies which would pipe user data right into the agencies of Beijing.

5. That aside, some of Apple's behavior (as illustrated by Spotify lately) is downright predatory, intended to lock Apple users to inferior alternatives. I don't like that one bit. On the balance though, I support Apple's discretion with my dollars, because I feel they are selling to me rather than selling me, and because their devices are great.

Re: Reasons Not to Use Apple (2018)

#33
post #9

Most of the reasons in that list are ideological, not technical. I mean, I like listening to RMS, but prefer my choice of technology to be governed by technical reasons, not by what a company does in China or in Russia. Incidentally, given a choice between an Apple machine and a well-functioning GNU/Linux machine I would pick the latter.

Most. Unpatched security issues and erecting barriers to repair are legitimately annoying technical concerns.

But you're right that's just a couple on a long list.

Re: Reasons Not to Use Apple (2018)

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> If you carry a cell phone, it tells Big Brother where you are.

It's worth remembering that if one carries a mobile telephone, and it is not fully powered off, TPC always knows where you are, and the powers that be do not need to go to Apple for that information. A mobile telephone broadcasts to let the world know where it is, and the mobile telephony system only works in the first place if the system knows how to route incoming calls and SMS messages to a person's telephone.

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19215636

Re: Reasons Not to Use Apple (2018)

#35

I consider it responsible Capitalism to not buy products from Apple, AT&T, BP, etc... Apple has not been pro consumer or pro developer in my lifetime. They do advertise a lot.

It’s unclear what you mean by this, or what you are using as the criteria for being a pro consumer. Their stance on user privacy, especially with iPhone in comparison to android, is certainly a good example of very pro consumer attitudes.

>It’s unclear what you mean by this,

(did you read the article?)

Proprietary connectors, overpriced hardware, high cost barrier to entry, closed ecosystem.

Re: Reasons Not to Use Apple (2018)

#36

Apple doesn't really spy on users imo. Internally, the privacy team is quite powerful and forces lots of safeguards about how exactly data can be used.

Check Settings.app > Privacy > Location Services > System Services > Significant Locations

It says encrypted and cant be read by Apple, who knows, this data creeps me alone.

Re: Reasons Not to Use Apple (2018)

#38
post #10

I would like to see the same details about google / android and microsoft / windows from the author of this comprehensive list. And his conclusion what to use as an OS considering all.

These are all linked at the top of his homepage https://stallman.org/

e.g. https://stallman.org/microsoft.html

Re: Reasons Not to Use Apple (2018)

#39
post #24

Wow - regardless of whether one agrees with RMS, alone the fact that this submission has been heavily flagged already (and will thus drop from the frontpage soon) tells you a lot about the power of Apple and their fans here. HN urgently needs to address the flagging problems, this has been the case for many important but controversial topics recently and leads to a degraded quality of frontpage submissions in my view…

I have not flagged this article, partly because I’m curious to see the debate here. But I’m sure those who have flagged it did so because this article is not objective, this is a very extremist position with a lot of cherry picked arguments that are obviously from a personal bias he has against Apple. Many of the points he is specifically isolating for Apple are quite true of most of the big tech firms.

Yep, definitely true (but his points for other firms like google are directly linked above the article, this I would deny that there is a clear bias).

I have no side in this game (no affiliations to either Google or Apple) but this points about Apple are both true and relevant and thus imo no reason to flag. You can still just ignore the topic.

Flagging just kills the discussion and during recent times this often happened to legit but controversial topics (e.g. OpenAI for-profit announcement was heavily flagged and buried as well).

Re: Reasons Not to Use Apple (2018)

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1. Apple takes privacy and data safety seriously. It invests a significant amount of engineering effort into keeping user data safe. It doesn't comply with government requests unless forced, after deploying its vast legal means to hold them back. 2. Other consumer electronics devices aren't built in factories that are any different or better than those of Foxconn. While it doesn't absolve Apple from taking some respo…

> Other consumer electronics devices aren't built in factories that are any different or better than those of Foxconn. While it doesn't absolve Apple from taking some responsibility, RMS should have called for avoiding mobile devices altogether if he's so worried about personnel abuse.

And Apple seems to be the only company to be quite open about this and taking active steps to improve working conditions throughout the entire supply chain.

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