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Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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Post by tomphoolery »

dmitriid wrote: post #8
ChrisRR wrote: post #3

While I was ready to leave a comment about Spotify not playing fair with artists, I have seen Apple's unfair business practices first hand with developing apps and bluetooth devices. Unfortunately they are abusing their power, and are being flat out unfair if you want to develop a bluetooth device or app. If you want to vet apps to ensure a safe environment, that's fine, but these practices go beyond that and are unf…

> Spotify not playing fair with artists Spotify is paying as much as music industry extorts from it. Where does the money go? Ask the big labels that are the ones paying artists.

The big labels aren't important, they're going to get their money anyway. This hurts the smaller labels, like my label, and countless others who never see a god damn dime from Spotify streaming.

Meanwhile, Bandcamp streams the songs for free but they allow you to pay what you want. I've made at least 10x the profit from selling tracks on Bandcamp than I ever did in the streaming world.

If Spotify wants to play fair, they need to pay artists more for streams. This site is just another instance of tech bros thinking they know better and meanwhile fucking over everyone else involved.

Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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Post by mcphage »

owenwil wrote: post #6
zimpenfish wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - Apple blocked Spotify from working with Apple Watch / HomePad But they've blocked every streaming music thing, right? It wasn't a vindictive campaign targetted at Spotify as this timeline is suggesting - no-one got to build streaming music apps for the Watch or HomePod IIRC.

I believe this is their point: Apple deliberately leaves those features unbuilt in order to give itself a market position that others can't compete with

> Apple deliberately leaves those features unbuilt in order to give itself a market position that others can't compete with

There's a vast gulf between "Spotify was blocked" and "Apple didn't spend time and money building a service that Spotify wanted".

Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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Post by saagarjha »

digianarchist wrote: post #10

Pretty annoying as an Apple Watch user to find out only Apple Music is allowed to store music on the device itself.

I don't see why other watchOS apps cannot store music on the watch itself. Don't apps get some local storage space? Why can't they use that?

Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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alibarber wrote: post #27
numair wrote: post #17

Considering all of the dirty tricks and favoritism between Spotify and Facebook, I’m not sure they are the right messengers for this. Oh, and one of the early execs involved with Spotify told me, point blank, “that man needs to die already” in reference to Steve Jobs before his passing. Yeah, I was just as shocked as you might be in reading that. I doubt I was the only one aware of such dark sentiments. The executive…

"Making life difficult for Spotify could be seen as a way to carry on Steve’s legacy" - how does this benefit me as an Apple customer?

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Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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Post by celticninja »

numair wrote: post #17

Considering all of the dirty tricks and favoritism between Spotify and Facebook, I’m not sure they are the right messengers for this. Oh, and one of the early execs involved with Spotify told me, point blank, “that man needs to die already” in reference to Steve Jobs before his passing. Yeah, I was just as shocked as you might be in reading that. I doubt I was the only one aware of such dark sentiments. The executive…

I have no idea what kind of justification you are trying to make for Apples behaviour here, but you think it is justifiable. If this was Microsoft instead of Apple you would probably be on Spotify's side. And it should not matter if it is Spotify or someone else, Spotify have the money and resources to be able to try and fight apple, so many other app makers don't and Apple shits all over them.

Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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Post by fmo91 »

judah wrote: post #29

This exemplifies some of the reasons proprietary app store lock-in is bad for consumers. Progressive Web Apps -- web apps that are installable and available offline without any app store -- are a viable alternative, and ultimately a threat to Apple's app store racket. It's likely why iOS Safari continues to drag it's feet on PWA support.

I agree with that. However, what worries me about PWAs is discoverability. How can I find a catalog of available PWAs to download? Is there a way?

Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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Post by westpfelia »

ianai wrote: post #25
numair wrote: post #17

Considering all of the dirty tricks and favoritism between Spotify and Facebook, I’m not sure they are the right messengers for this. Oh, and one of the early execs involved with Spotify told me, point blank, “that man needs to die already” in reference to Steve Jobs before his passing. Yeah, I was just as shocked as you might be in reading that. I doubt I was the only one aware of such dark sentiments. The executive…

Doesnt really matter where the sentiment comes from if we’re to have an efficient economy. There should be more choices available. Any idea what made the spotify execs wish death on Jobs?

'Any idea what made the spotify execs wish death on Jobs?'

Does it honestly matter? First of all its probably just a joke. But second of all if we assume he said it the day he died that means the joke was made in 2011 when Spotify was a small company. When chances are the joke was made when they were still just in Sweden.

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