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FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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Re: FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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This might be more overt than the usual form, but how does this differ from donating a new building, department, or scholarship fund and subsequently getting your kid in? My mother did well in the Masters program at Stanford and I would have likely gotten in if she donated a couple million dollars but she didn’t and I didn’t (despite getting an invitation a year after accepting enrollment at another university). It’s…

How do you determine the parent's motives? I can't deny that parents use donations as a pay-to-play mechanic at colleges, but how do you guard against it? Do you ban kids from enrolling in or applying to colleges in which their parent's (or close relative) has donated to? My local college was a blessing to me. It provided me an education, a safe atmosphere, and most of all, confidence. It changed me for the better. I…

We can start by not naming things after donors. I don't understand how that's not immediate quid pro quo right there, you get advertising for your personal brand.

Re: FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. A guy donates an engineering complex, and every engineering student on that campus gets to take advantage of said complex and its resources. Guy donates a new business school building and every student on that campus can take advantage of said building and its resources. In exchange, the university lets in two girls, their daughters or whatever, who might want to major in Art History and French, and coincidenta…

Then the university should advertise the cost of admission and make it fair for everyone.

I think it is well known that anyone can donate a building for easy admission. It is no secret, just something available to only the top 0.1%

Re: FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. A guy donates an engineering complex, and every engineering student on that campus gets to take advantage of said complex and its resources. Guy donates a new business school building and every student on that campus can take advantage of said building and its resources. In exchange, the university lets in two girls, their daughters or whatever, who might want to major in Art History and French, and coincidenta…

Then the university should advertise the cost of admission and make it fair for everyone.

Not sure that would help. New tuiton - $2M and 99% of students get grants of $1.930M

Re: FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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post #30

This might be more overt than the usual form, but how does this differ from donating a new building, department, or scholarship fund and subsequently getting your kid in? My mother did well in the Masters program at Stanford and I would have likely gotten in if she donated a couple million dollars but she didn’t and I didn’t (despite getting an invitation a year after accepting enrollment at another university). It’s…

How do you determine the parent's motives? I can't deny that parents use donations as a pay-to-play mechanic at colleges, but how do you guard against it? Do you ban kids from enrolling in or applying to colleges in which their parent's (or close relative) has donated to? My local college was a blessing to me. It provided me an education, a safe atmosphere, and most of all, confidence. It changed me for the better. I…

How about making donations information blind to admissions committees?

Re: FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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This might be more overt than the usual form, but how does this differ from donating a new building, department, or scholarship fund and subsequently getting your kid in? My mother did well in the Masters program at Stanford and I would have likely gotten in if she donated a couple million dollars but she didn’t and I didn’t (despite getting an invitation a year after accepting enrollment at another university). It’s…

It’s different in the scale of the donation. 2 Million dollar donation materially improves things for other students and is tax deductible. $15,000 bribe doesn’t do much for other students except rob them of a spot.

It provides them the opportunity to network with a young, impressionable kid whose parents can afford to throw $15k into a toilet and flush.

If you believe the primary purpose of a university is to educate and certify, that is indeed "not much". But if you believe that the education is secondary, and the actual primary purpose is to cultivate a social network of influential graduates and dropouts, and to act as gatekeeper to future opportunities, then that bribe is better than a perfect SAT score.

That kid will end up with seed money or angel investments from mommy and daddy, and will be able to hire some former classmates right out of the gate, and they might build a unicorn, which will forever be tagged with "founded and built by a team of University X graduates".

In that sense, no one is robbing anybody of a spot. There are genius spots, and rich idiot spots, and the only problem is getting a few from each pile into the same rooms, with a reason to talk about their futures. One way is to coerce the rich kid into studying (or cheating) their coursework by paying off the genius kid. Management training.

Re: FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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This is pretty wild. Seeing the FBI tackle something like this is so far outside of the legal and cultural norms of society that it's difficult to even really comment on.

Well, frankly I'm glad they are. As many people die slipping in the bathtub each year as 9/11. If acronym-agencies want to actually help society maybe they should tackle these types of real-world problems (e.g. tax-evasion of 1%) rather than building cool Snowden spy-toys.

Re: FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s different in the scale of the donation. 2 Million dollar donation materially improves things for other students and is tax deductible. $15,000 bribe doesn’t do much for other students except rob them of a spot.

This. A guy donates an engineering complex, and every engineering student on that campus gets to take advantage of said complex and its resources. Guy donates a new business school building and every student on that campus can take advantage of said building and its resources. In exchange, the university lets in two girls, their daughters or whatever, who might want to major in Art History and French, and coincidenta…

Oddly sexist example but OK.

Re: FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s different in the scale of the donation. 2 Million dollar donation materially improves things for other students and is tax deductible. $15,000 bribe doesn’t do much for other students except rob them of a spot.

This. A guy donates an engineering complex, and every engineering student on that campus gets to take advantage of said complex and its resources. Guy donates a new business school building and every student on that campus can take advantage of said building and its resources. In exchange, the university lets in two girls, their daughters or whatever, who might want to major in Art History and French, and coincidenta…

  I were calling the shots at a university
  I'd make that trade every time.
Me too.

But would you be proud enough of the policy to publicise it and your price list?

Because I'd do it, but I'd also be embarrassed I was doing it.

Re: FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then the university should advertise the cost of admission and make it fair for everyone.

I think it is well known that anyone can donate a building for easy admission. It is no secret, just something available to only the top 0.1%

> It is no secret

It sounds like you agree, then? It should be public.

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