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Re: Ask HN: Any web startups using Java?

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Post by mks »

Java will be definitely an option when we consider developing a web application. However at the moment we are not exactly web startup (developing android application).

Since we come from enterprise environment Java is the second mother tongue to us and I have got accustomed to mighty autocomplete and refactoring features of eclipse. The main reason for diverting from Java would be purely of taking intelectual pleasure in learning new things and checking if python/ruby frameworks live to the expectations.

We did some contract work on french social startup using a very lightweight web framework called Stripes (http://www.stripesframework.org). It was much better experience that using component based UI frameworks like JSF.

Needless to say - for quick web hacking I still fall back to PHP.

Re: Ask HN: Any web startups using Java?

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Post by scalyweb »

yatsyk wrote: post #28

I believe that one of the reason is lack of good web-applications framework for quick development. There is nothing like django or rails, so if you need to have non-trivial application created in minimum time java is not the best platform. In case when your team consists of plenty different skill level developers java is much safer platform. Performance of the application and hosting is not a problem. Hosting of java…

I used to think so as well but now there is a great framework called Play:

http://www.playframework.org/

Re: Ask HN: Any web startups using Java?

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Post by _grrr »

bpourriahi wrote: post #19
olalonde wrote: post #13

Generalization ahead Java is mostly snubbed in web startup land and associated with boring corporate work. More discussion here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1378815

There is a good chance that the more 'boring corporate' people tend to keep to themselves more. I don't imagine serious startups are always glaring things in your face about the technologies they use, which comes off as 'web startup land' to people who are willing to read that kind of stuff. (not that I'm any different) I bet there's a whole other demographic of serious business people who are busy getting things don…

There is. For example, all tier 1 investment banks use Java for their trading infrastructure (as well as C++).

Re: Ask HN: Any web startups using Java?

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Post by jonah »

yatsyk wrote: post #28

I believe that one of the reason is lack of good web-applications framework for quick development. There is nothing like django or rails, so if you need to have non-trivial application created in minimum time java is not the best platform. In case when your team consists of plenty different skill level developers java is much safer platform. Performance of the application and hosting is not a problem. Hosting of java…

There are lots of great frameworks for ColdFusion/Railo.

Re: Ask HN: Any web startups using Java?

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Post by wlievens »

mihn wrote: post #20
Veera wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

//bloated enterprise stuff// by this you mean the frameworks like Spring, Struts or the buzzwords like JMS, EJBs?

i guess stuff like EJB, JMS. Spring is kinda lightweight compared to those frameworks/platforms.

I'm no fan of Spring, but I do want to echo your sentiment. There are a lot of really good Java libraries and frameworks that are often lumped together in people's view with the more verbose "enterprisey" concepts.

There are two things I really like about Java in the broad sense: the excellent Eclipse environment, and the multitude of quality open source libraries.

Re: Ask HN: Any web startups using Java?

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Post by yatsyk »

_grrr wrote: post #30
yatsyk wrote: post #28

I believe that one of the reason is lack of good web-applications framework for quick development. There is nothing like django or rails, so if you need to have non-trivial application created in minimum time java is not the best platform. In case when your team consists of plenty different skill level developers java is much safer platform. Performance of the application and hosting is not a problem. Hosting of java…

Yes there is: grails.

I believe that Veera means java as a language but not jvm as a platform because a lot of startups use jruby and closure for their applications.

Re: Ask HN: Any web startups using Java?

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Post by yatsyk »

scalyweb wrote: post #32
yatsyk wrote: post #28

I believe that one of the reason is lack of good web-applications framework for quick development. There is nothing like django or rails, so if you need to have non-trivial application created in minimum time java is not the best platform. In case when your team consists of plenty different skill level developers java is much safer platform. Performance of the application and hosting is not a problem. Hosting of java…

I used to think so as well but now there is a great framework called Play: http://www.playframework.org/

It would be nice if this framework get more traction

Re: Ask HN: Any web startups using Java?

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Post by yatsyk »

jonah wrote: post #34
yatsyk wrote: post #28

I believe that one of the reason is lack of good web-applications framework for quick development. There is nothing like django or rails, so if you need to have non-trivial application created in minimum time java is not the best platform. In case when your team consists of plenty different skill level developers java is much safer platform. Performance of the application and hosting is not a problem. Hosting of java…

There are lots of great frameworks for ColdFusion/Railo.

ColdFusion is not associated with fun development, may be I'm wrong, but for me it is associated with plenty of config xmls and other enterpricy stuff.
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