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Lithium in drinking water and crimes, suicides related to drug addictions (1990)

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Re: Lithium in drinking water and crimes, suicides related to drug addictions (1990)

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Post by samat »

droithomme wrote: post #9
olliej wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

oof, yeah that's questionable if it hasn't had an update since then. It's dangerously in the realm of things that sound plausible, and so are believed blindly. (Speed in water supply improves productivity, PCP in water increases crime, Dihydrogen Monoxide in the water supply causes drowning)

Good point. 30 yr old study announcing dramatic findings with no subsequent replication studies. Reasonable to look at it with caution.

There are multiple studies referenced on the bloody same page linked by OP:

2018 'We found that lithium levels were significantly and negatively associated with SMR averages for 2002–2006' https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-british-journal-...

2017 "After adjusting for confounder (the number of women for 1,000 men), the lithium level remained statistically significant in men, but not in women." https://www.researchgate.net/publication/315599920_Lithium_l...

2015 "Lithium concentrations and local suicide rates were not significantly inversely related, except in 1980-1989, particularly among women" https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280581760_Relations...

etc.,etc.

But there is a better review here https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2018/10/24/18010592/futur...

Re: Lithium in drinking water and crimes, suicides related to drug addictions (1990)

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Post by lallysingh »

JamesBarney wrote: post #12
TylerE wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of those are used as medication for a psychiatric condition, though.

But the dose used as a medication is 1000x higher than what you would get from drinking water.

Over what period of time?

Re: Lithium in drinking water and crimes, suicides related to drug addictions (1990)

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Post by dotancohen »

hopler wrote: post #27
DoreenMichele wrote: post #26

When I was homeless and having bad mood swings as a side effect of medical stuff, I asked my son to look up info and see if there was a lithium and salt connection (because my condition involves salt misprocessing). He said yes, there was. We then looked for dietary sources of lithium. I began consuming beef or pork with salted potato dishes to prevent the wild mood swings. It worked. /Anecdata

The periodic table strongly hints at a lithium salt connection. But what made you suspect lithium deficiency? Pork, beef, and salted potatoes sounds like a standard American diet. It's the core of the McDonald's menu :-)

At forty I'm starting to learn chemistry because my 12 year old daughter has an interest in it. If you have a layman's explanation for why the periodic table strongly hints at a lithium salt connection I would love to show that to her. Thanks.

If you have any other insights that one could derive from the periodic table that would be much appreciated as well. Thank you!

Re: Lithium in drinking water and crimes, suicides related to drug addictions (1990)

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Post by acct1771 »

jondubois wrote: post #34

This reminds me of the conspiracy theory which claims that the government is putting chemicals in the water supply to keep people docile and controllable.

Food's already got enough estrogen-emitters to cover it...but you're right.

Re: Lithium in drinking water and crimes, suicides related to drug addictions (1990)

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Post by JamesBarney »

lallysingh wrote: post #32
JamesBarney wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the dose used as a medication is 1000x higher than what you would get from drinking water.

Over what period of time?

Per day if you're drinking a couple literally of water. Basically it would take like 2,000 liters of water to equal a single daily dose of lithium.

Re: Lithium in drinking water and crimes, suicides related to drug addictions (1990)

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Post by zenon »

Meat, seafood, eggs, milk, nuts, legumes and high water content plant foods (fruits and vegetables) are a generally good dietary sources of Lithium. Fats, grain-based and sugary foods are poor sources. If you're not lucky enough to live in an area with a high Lithium water supply, a low calorie density paleo-type or plant-based diet is probably the best way to ensure an optimal Lithium intake.

(Tomatoes are a particularly good source IIRC).

Re: Lithium in drinking water and crimes, suicides related to drug addictions (1990)

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Post by elvinyung »

dotancohen wrote: post #33
hopler wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The periodic table strongly hints at a lithium salt connection. But what made you suspect lithium deficiency? Pork, beef, and salted potatoes sounds like a standard American diet. It's the core of the McDonald's menu :-)

At forty I'm starting to learn chemistry because my 12 year old daughter has an interest in it. If you have a layman's explanation for why the periodic table strongly hints at a lithium salt connection I would love to show that to her. Thanks. If you have any other insights that one could derive from the periodic table that would be much appreciated as well. Thank you!

I think they just mean that lithium and sodium are both in the same valence group, but I'm not sure if that has any actual nutritional significance here.

Re: Lithium in drinking water and crimes, suicides related to drug addictions (1990)

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Post by jondubois »

acct1771 wrote: post #35
jondubois wrote: post #34

This reminds me of the conspiracy theory which claims that the government is putting chemicals in the water supply to keep people docile and controllable.

Food's already got enough estrogen-emitters to cover it...but you're right.

As government oppression continued to increase over time, they had to keep increasing the dosage ;p Even that wasn't enough though, so that's why they started doing Chemtrails. So now they implement a comprehensive three-factor approach; water supply, food supply and air supply. They can combine different ratios of the chemicals in order to customize treatment to the geographical region; that's necessary to achieve a more homogenous (and therefore, predictable) population. Predictable, homogenous populations are also better to encourage corporate consumerism because it allows corporations to use the same marketing approach globally.

It all adds up. Everything is connected.

> goes crazy and starts talking to self

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