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Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden

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lol, you really think the American citizens will vote out the government or impeach their president because they act unethically or immorally? I'd love to know what you're smoking.

The question is not if they will , but if they can .

It makes no difference if they will not, or if the activation energy is exorbitantly high. If you want to go with technicalities, so can anybody in the world, revolution is always an option.

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Huawei is an arm of the Chinese government. The Chinese government has imprisoned millions of Muslims in a concentration camp monitored by Huawei equipments. No amount of trolling can misdirect the sins of a nazi like entity

Intel follows sanctions imposed by the US government and the US/Saudi military uses Intel made chips to kill hundreds of thousands civilians in Iraq, Yemen, etc. Does this make Intel a villain?

Not trying to justify misdeeds of Chinese / US government. But it is really far-fetched to label a company as "Nazi like entity" simply because it has relationships with a bad government.

Re: Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden

#33

What about the million Uighurs in Chinese concentration camps? The scale of state crimes are vastly different here.

What about the hundred thousand Japanese American internees in American concentration camps? I don't think the scale is that different, normalized by population and stage of development.

Re: Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden

#34

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Are you aware of the government using Snowden's relatives as collateral in order to get him to return to the US? Pretty sure they've been safe this whole time.

The people that know him are protected. And that is definitely worth noting. But I'm far less confident that he would be treated fairly.

> But I'm far less confident that he would be treated fairly.

Maybe, maybe not, but there is precedence in America for it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg

> Daniel Ellsberg... precipitated a national political

> controversy in 1971 when he released the Pentagon Papers,

> a top-secret Pentagon study of the U.S. government decision-

> making in relation to the Vietnam War, to The New York

> Times and other newspapers.

>

> On January 3, 1973, Ellsberg was charged under the Espionage

> Act of 1917 along with other charges of theft and conspiracy,

> carrying a total maximum sentence of 115 years. Due to

> governmental misconduct and illegal evidence-gathering,

> and the defense by Leonard Boudin and Harvard Law School

> professor Charles Nesson, Judge William Matthew Byrne Jr.

> dismissed all charges against Ellsberg on May 11, 1973.

Re: Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden

#35

What about the million Uighurs in Chinese concentration camps? The scale of state crimes are vastly different here.

What about the hundred thousand Japanese American internees in American concentration camps? I don't think the scale is that different, normalized by population and stage of development.

That was almost 80 years ago, whereas China is doing this today. Past US actions don't somehow invalidate current complaints about massive human rights violations by the CCP. This is purely whataboutism.

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Not one of those sources in the Wikipedia article had any evidence other than news articles about one UN committee member saying she saw evidence of it being 1 million people in camps. Not firsthand, just reports. Every other article on the fact repeats this. Nearly a dozen citations and it's all just news articles about the same story. I tried searching for the UN committee on racial discrimination tabled documents…

Tibet.

Perhaps you intended to respond to a different comment?

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The question is not if they will , but if they can .

It makes no difference if they will not, or if the activation energy is exorbitantly high. If you want to go with technicalities, so can anybody in the world, revolution is always an option.

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Re: Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about the hundred thousand Japanese American internees in American concentration camps? I don't think the scale is that different, normalized by population and stage of development.

That was almost 80 years ago, whereas China is doing this today. Past US actions don't somehow invalidate current complaints about massive human rights violations by the CCP. This is purely whataboutism.

I have no interest in pointing out current US atrocities around the world; there are many. Does any US action past or present invalidate anything? No. But it does make your words overall worthless and hypocritical. As they say, clean your own house first. It's energy better spent.

Re: Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden

#39

What about the million Uighurs in Chinese concentration camps? The scale of state crimes are vastly different here.

What about the hundred thousand Japanese American internees in American concentration camps? I don't think the scale is that different, normalized by population and stage of development.

well, for one we don't deny it happened

Re: Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden

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Nice, Huawei Finally pointed this out, so the next step is hopefully somebody pointing out the difference. There will never be a Snowden in China. You can guarantee their life, or their love one's life will be held hostage. So not only does the "West" ( So to speak ) has a system in place protecting these people, they also have a system to vote them out and elect a new form of government should the ultimate worst com…

I disagree. The reason there will be no Snowden in China is primarily that China doesn't hide its spying, and secondarily becaue China does not maintain the pretense of moral superiority on international scale. Snowden-type leak from China would not change the way Chinese citizens perceive their government, and nobody else would care, much less exert outside pressure to change things. Leaks and whistleblowers will ha…

Anyone remember the Plame affair? Not in the same category, but blowing the cover of a CIA operative in retaliation for their husband not following the party lie on Iraq.

Scooter Libby was prosecuted during the subsequent investigation and of course pardoned by Trump.

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