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Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by vetinari »

isostatic wrote: post #10
gsich wrote: post #3

Shitty device then. Or is there a legitimate usecase for such behaviour?

Google DNS came about because of a very real problem of shitty ISPs giving shitty DNS servers that gave fake results (especially in NXDomain cases) I can see why you would want to use a known-good dns provider in your product, however at the very least there should be an ability to turn off such behaviour.

It is not shitty ISPs giving fake results.

It is me. My resolver does that and it is for a reason. Disrespecting what the local network tells you to use just leads to arms race.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by JorgeGT »

tyingq wrote: post #26
scrollaway wrote: post #14

I'm always shocked at how easy it is for people to fall into the "Google is evil!!1" trap on such trivial stuff (and funnily enough, much more serious privacy issues related to Google are ignored/downvoted). Hardcoded DNS servers are common. Extremely common in a bunch of IOT devices, given how broken some ISPs are. This is a non-story and the only reason it's being upvoted is because Google is doing it, and they als…

"I'm always shocked at how easy it is for people to fall into the "Google is evil!!1" trap on such trivial stuff" Google's smart though. They know that rolling out unsavory ideas in small pieces keeps it under the radar. They didn't, for example, push the organic search results under the fold all at once. This could be innocuous, or part of some larger agenda.

This is usually called salami slicing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salami_slicing See also the boiling frog fable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by OedipusRex »

tyingq wrote: post #26
scrollaway wrote: post #14

I'm always shocked at how easy it is for people to fall into the "Google is evil!!1" trap on such trivial stuff (and funnily enough, much more serious privacy issues related to Google are ignored/downvoted). Hardcoded DNS servers are common. Extremely common in a bunch of IOT devices, given how broken some ISPs are. This is a non-story and the only reason it's being upvoted is because Google is doing it, and they als…

"I'm always shocked at how easy it is for people to fall into the "Google is evil!!1" trap on such trivial stuff" Google's smart though. They know that rolling out unsavory ideas in small pieces keeps it under the radar. They didn't, for example, push the organic search results under the fold all at once. This could be innocuous, or part of some larger agenda.

I don't really see the point of changing the DNS settings to watch YouTube, either way Google will know what you're watching. I know the Chromecast can do other casting but I assume those services (Netflix, Hulu, etc) are using more than just DNS queries as well to see what you watch. And if you're casting local media then no DNS goes out at all.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by tialaramex »

megous wrote: post #22
jasonjayr wrote: post #12

I agree with the shadiness of this, but just to play devil's advocate here, is this to work around shitty ISP's that play games with DNS? Residential ISPs have not exactly been good faith actors in this game ...

Yes, but how does it help hardcoding one IP address that ISPs can simply route to their own DNS server?

Today the ISP could, with a bunch of effort, re-route the traffic, though I haven't seen any evidence that any of them do that. So it helps materially because for today it works.

Tomorrow these devices will do DPRIV, probably DNS over HTTPS, and so the ISP won't be different from any other man-in-the-middle, unable to meddle with the contents of protected traffic.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by misterhtmlcss »

JorgeGT wrote: post #33
tyingq wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I'm always shocked at how easy it is for people to fall into the "Google is evil!!1" trap on such trivial stuff" Google's smart though. They know that rolling out unsavory ideas in small pieces keeps it under the radar. They didn't, for example, push the organic search results under the fold all at once. This could be innocuous, or part of some larger agenda.

This is usually called salami slicing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salami_slicing See also the boiling frog fable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

That's like my favorite comedy, but few people know their history well enough to laugh at the jokes anymore :(

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by kilroy123 »

scrollaway wrote: post #14

I'm always shocked at how easy it is for people to fall into the "Google is evil!!1" trap on such trivial stuff (and funnily enough, much more serious privacy issues related to Google are ignored/downvoted). Hardcoded DNS servers are common. Extremely common in a bunch of IOT devices, given how broken some ISPs are. This is a non-story and the only reason it's being upvoted is because Google is doing it, and they als…

Personally, I think they kind of _are_. I now no longer point to or use Google's DNS because of this. Call me paranoid.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by judge2020 »

scrollaway wrote: post #14

I'm always shocked at how easy it is for people to fall into the "Google is evil!!1" trap on such trivial stuff (and funnily enough, much more serious privacy issues related to Google are ignored/downvoted). Hardcoded DNS servers are common. Extremely common in a bunch of IOT devices, given how broken some ISPs are. This is a non-story and the only reason it's being upvoted is because Google is doing it, and they als…

> You know what would be an actual story though? If Google used Google DNS to spy on people.

this. I highly doubt Google is actually using DNS for tracking or connecting queries to someone's account, especially when they say they don't [1].

Many people say "use Cloudflare DNS if you're worried about privacy", but Google effectively makes the same claim as Cloudflare that they don't use DNS to track you. The only plus you get from Cloudflare is how they get KPMG to audit and ensure they're not logging IPs forever.

1: https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/privacy

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by OnlyRepliesToBS »

scrollaway wrote: post #14

I'm always shocked at how easy it is for people to fall into the "Google is evil!!1" trap on such trivial stuff (and funnily enough, much more serious privacy issues related to Google are ignored/downvoted). Hardcoded DNS servers are common. Extremely common in a bunch of IOT devices, given how broken some ISPs are. This is a non-story and the only reason it's being upvoted is because Google is doing it, and they als…

lol

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by scrollaway »

dictum wrote: post #23
scrollaway wrote: post #14

I'm always shocked at how easy it is for people to fall into the "Google is evil!!1" trap on such trivial stuff (and funnily enough, much more serious privacy issues related to Google are ignored/downvoted). Hardcoded DNS servers are common. Extremely common in a bunch of IOT devices, given how broken some ISPs are. This is a non-story and the only reason it's being upvoted is because Google is doing it, and they als…

This is unduly paternalistic: a story is whatever the HN community decides to pay attention to, even if that leaves out important stories or puts a spotlight on minor trivia. > You know what would be an actual story though? If Google used Google DNS to spy on people. If anyone has concrete evidence that they're doing that, that is a big fucking deal. I'm an optimist, but I'm also cynical enough to foresee the same co…

> This is unduly paternalistic

You're right, I'm sorry. I edited my post a bit to soften it.

> I'm an optimist, but I'm also cynical enough to foresee the same complaints

Well, maybe. I would hope not, specifically because Google has made previous guarantees that they do not use that data for spying.

It's different when it's your ISP, which already does tons of shady shit and buried somewhere in your TOS that they do this stuff.

I don't find it any more acceptable, but it would or at least should be a bigger story if Google was doing it with Google DNS.

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