At least when it comes to Java, I urge everyone to get out of the trap : http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html
Could you please read the very first paragraph of what you posted?
Why is there an Oracle copyright in the middle of a Facebook javascript?
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Re: Why is there an Oracle copyright in the middle of a Facebook javascript?
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Outside of the line about proprietary/confidential, it is a standard 3-clause (no ad) BSD license they are using - so I don't know why they need that line in there. That is probably the only interesting part of this story.
What is also interesting (or is that scary?) is that some people reading HN can't tell a BSD license from a custom proprietary copyright notice.
I'm not a techie. I couldn't tell you what a BSD licence is exactly, but I'm aware of the differences, and reasons for choosing between them.
Re: Why is there an Oracle copyright in the middle of a Facebook javascript?
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Outside of the line about proprietary/confidential, it is a standard 3-clause (no ad) BSD license they are using - so I don't know why they need that line in there. That is probably the only interesting part of this story.
What is also interesting (or is that scary?) is that some people reading HN can't tell a BSD license from a custom proprietary copyright notice.
What's also interesting is that some people reading HN cannot tell the difference between > and >.
It's as if just because it's BSD we are talking about, you can break those 3 conditions at will. Not surprising actually, since some Linux kernel devs have also been doing it.
Re: Why is there an Oracle copyright in the middle of a Facebook javascript?
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is also interesting (or is that scary?) is that some people reading HN can't tell a BSD license from a custom proprietary copyright notice.
What's also interesting is that some people reading HN cannot tell the difference between > and >. It's as if just because it's BSD we are talking about, you can break those 3 conditions at will. Not surprising actually, since some Linux kernel devs have also been doing it.
Well, you wouldn't want to release anything into the public domain and I don't believe any sane developer ever has.
As far as license violations are concerned, this is not a problem solely limited to the BSD as there are oh so many cases for the GPL as well for example.
In my experience, I'm much more keen to include a notice about the folk who wrote that piece of software than complying with the GPL (although I always do). For example, let's say you want to strip down an ERP web-client so that mobile devices can actually use it. That's a quick and dirty 1 hour patch to render the software minimal. If the software is under the GPL, you must publish your changes. Knowing that your dirty patch will be obsolete in a 2 weeks time and that nobody will ever actually look for it.
Well, I'm all for freedom.
Re: Why is there an Oracle copyright in the middle of a Facebook javascript?
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is also interesting (or is that scary?) is that some people reading HN can't tell a BSD license from a custom proprietary copyright notice.
I think the problem is the "proprietary" conflicting with the notion of a BSD license.
Believe it or not but BSD or GPL licensed code remains the copyright holder's property.
If it didn't no licensing terms would be applicable and it would be called Public Domain.
Proprietary Software as coined by the FSF is merely a language abuse.
Re: Why is there an Oracle copyright in the middle of a Facebook javascript?
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's also interesting is that some people reading HN cannot tell the difference between > and >. It's as if just because it's BSD we are talking about, you can break those 3 conditions at will. Not surprising actually, since some Linux kernel devs have also been doing it.
Well, you wouldn't want to release anything into the public domain and I don't believe any sane developer ever has. As far as license violations are concerned, this is not a problem solely limited to the BSD as there are oh so many cases for the GPL as well for example. In my experience, I'm much more keen to include a notice about the folk who wrote that piece of software than complying with the GPL (although I alwa…
> If the software is under the GPL, you must publish your changes.
This is only true if you distribute a binary of the patched code. If your patching on the server side there is no requirement to publish your patch (hence why the Affero GPL was invented, it closes this loophole).
Re: Why is there an Oracle copyright in the middle of a Facebook javascript?
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's also interesting is that some people reading HN cannot tell the difference between > and >. It's as if just because it's BSD we are talking about, you can break those 3 conditions at will. Not surprising actually, since some Linux kernel devs have also been doing it.
Well, you wouldn't want to release anything into the public domain and I don't believe any sane developer ever has. As far as license violations are concerned, this is not a problem solely limited to the BSD as there are oh so many cases for the GPL as well for example. In my experience, I'm much more keen to include a notice about the folk who wrote that piece of software than complying with the GPL (although I alwa…
Well, you wouldn't want to release anything into the public domain and I don't believe any sane developer ever has.
D. Richard Hipp and everyone who has ever contributed to SQLite are insane, in your opinion?
The public domain isn't a terrible choice when thinking about how and if to license your software, and is arguably the only incontestably ethical choice.
Re: Why is there an Oracle copyright in the middle of a Facebook javascript?
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, you wouldn't want to release anything into the public domain and I don't believe any sane developer ever has. As far as license violations are concerned, this is not a problem solely limited to the BSD as there are oh so many cases for the GPL as well for example. In my experience, I'm much more keen to include a notice about the folk who wrote that piece of software than complying with the GPL (although I alwa…
Well, you wouldn't want to release anything into the public domain and I don't believe any sane developer ever has. D. Richard Hipp and everyone who has ever contributed to SQLite are insane, in your opinion? The public domain isn't a terrible choice when thinking about how and if to license your software, and is arguably the only incontestably ethical choice.
I disagree for the simple reason that some countries do not recognize the public domain, so people in those countries cannot use your code at all, without risking legal problems.
Re: Why is there an Oracle copyright in the middle of a Facebook javascript?
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's also interesting is that some people reading HN cannot tell the difference between > and >. It's as if just because it's BSD we are talking about, you can break those 3 conditions at will. Not surprising actually, since some Linux kernel devs have also been doing it.
Well, you wouldn't want to release anything into the public domain and I don't believe any sane developer ever has. As far as license violations are concerned, this is not a problem solely limited to the BSD as there are oh so many cases for the GPL as well for example. In my experience, I'm much more keen to include a notice about the folk who wrote that piece of software than complying with the GPL (although I alwa…
Well, you wouldn't want to release anything into the public domain and I don't believe any sane developer ever has.
That must mean that Tim Berners-Lee, djb, aaronsw and plenty of other good devs are insane. See the list of public domain software and how to handle the 'unlicense license' here:
(public domain makes a lot of sense and I am considering it for my next project. atm my pref is 3-clause BSD simply for attribution and the no ad policy.)
Re: Why is there an Oracle copyright in the middle of a Facebook javascript?
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, you wouldn't want to release anything into the public domain and I don't believe any sane developer ever has. As far as license violations are concerned, this is not a problem solely limited to the BSD as there are oh so many cases for the GPL as well for example. In my experience, I'm much more keen to include a notice about the folk who wrote that piece of software than complying with the GPL (although I alwa…
> If the software is under the GPL, you must publish your changes. This is only true if you distribute a binary of the patched code. If your patching on the server side there is no requirement to publish your patch (hence why the Affero GPL was invented, it closes this loophole).
This is an important point that I think a lot of people don't understand.
Even respected people in the technology world don't recognize that the GPL is not a use license.