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Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet

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Re: Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet

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If Reddit goes down, it's not a matter of national emergency, but if say, all major news websites do, then you're probably fucked

> but if say, all major news websites do, then you're probably fucked Why? What absolutely vital information did the general populace just lose access to that's not the equivalent to "well my router died"?

The stock market alone would plummet from not getting any news

Re: Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Reddit goes down, it's not a matter of national emergency, but if say, all major news websites do, then you're probably fucked

> but if say, all major news websites do, then you're probably fucked Why? What absolutely vital information did the general populace just lose access to that's not the equivalent to "well my router died"?

"War was declared at..."

Re: Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but if say, all major news websites do, then you're probably fucked Why? What absolutely vital information did the general populace just lose access to that's not the equivalent to "well my router died"?

The stock market alone would plummet from not getting any news

And in the case of Russia shutting off the external connections, thus preventing any external news agencies from reporting, the Russian stock market would happily continue on?

Re: Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet

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This has nothing to do with cyber warfare. Its just pushing the envelope towards full censorship of the internet. They get the systems in place, they run drills to get the population used to the idea, then they close specific sectors, then they close everything and have special "open sectors" and then you're fucked. Don't fall for it.

people go to war to gain control over something. If you can do so by censoring ideas, great! That is a lot cheaper than actual war.

.. I'm starting to see a lot of outrageous opinions like this on 'normal' forums like Reddit and HN with people defending this type of authoritarianism. I see the internet trending so extreme to the point it's useless for me. Not sure if others feel the same. Makes me sad to remember the hope I used to feel about its possibilities.

Re: Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet

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> The test is also expected to involve ISPs demonstrating that they can direct data to government-controlled routing points. These will filter traffic so that data sent between Russians reaches its destination, but any destined for foreign computers is discarded. > Eventually the Russian government wants all domestic traffic to pass through these routing points. This is believed to be part of an effort to set up a ma…

In retrospect, the old idea that the internet would be above national borders was hilariously naive. It may be a global network, but there’s nothing that says each country can’t exert a lot of control over their little piece of it.

Re: Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet

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>> Eventually the Russian government wants all domestic traffic to pass through these [government-controlled] routing points. > Certainly not enough to suggest it's some sort of precursor to Chinese level censorship if this action is all that's based on. That technical capability is an essential precursor to building a clone of the great firewall. After that, the censorship is just a matter of adding firewall rules.

True, for blocking outgoing AND incoming connections. Everyone in western media assumes the primary motivation is outgoing connections / censorship.

Maybe because hacking an average Russian citizen's PC nets you no benefits (I mean aside the usual low-level cybor crime that already happens) however controlling the media that person accesses then gives you a great deal of domestic power.

Re: Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet

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> The test is also expected to involve ISPs demonstrating that they can direct data to government-controlled routing points. These will filter traffic so that data sent between Russians reaches its destination, but any destined for foreign computers is discarded. > Eventually the Russian government wants all domestic traffic to pass through these routing points. This is believed to be part of an effort to set up a ma…

If you look at the Internet as a kind of cultural propagation weapon (I find it hard not to adopt this perspective given dominance of US content online, and as someone who with seemingly increasing regularity fails to spell in British as opposed to American English), then this outcome is easily seen as only a matter of time, and depending on how severe you interpret the 'threat', kind of long overdue.

Re: Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet

#38

It's a smart thing to do (to have such a plan) even if no cyberwar ever takes place. There are so many possible scenarios of what could go wrong and having autonomous but functioning internet is absolutely necessary.

It's kind of a stupid thing to do. Well, the excuse at least. Only people who don't know what BGP even is would buy the excuse. Any connected fragment of the internet can continue functioning autonomously anyway. The majority of traffic inside any country is already not going outside, and the internal segment would not break if the outside routes suddenly disappeared.

Re: Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet

#39
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

people go to war to gain control over something. If you can do so by censoring ideas, great! That is a lot cheaper than actual war.

.. I'm starting to see a lot of outrageous opinions like this on 'normal' forums like Reddit and HN with people defending this type of authoritarianism. I see the internet trending so extreme to the point it's useless for me. Not sure if others feel the same. Makes me sad to remember the hope I used to feel about its possibilities.

I don't believe the gp is defending authoritarianism, at least I hope not. I think they were in an academic sense providing an explanation for why these authoritarian governments behave in that manner.

Re: Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet

#40

It's a smart thing to do (to have such a plan) even if no cyberwar ever takes place. There are so many possible scenarios of what could go wrong and having autonomous but functioning internet is absolutely necessary.

It's kind of a stupid thing to do. Well, the excuse at least. Only people who don't know what BGP even is would buy the excuse. Any connected fragment of the internet can continue functioning autonomously anyway. The majority of traffic inside any country is already not going outside, and the internal segment would not break if the outside routes suddenly disappeared.

> and the internal segment would not break if the outside routes suddenly disappeared.

Not when your default nameserver is 8.8.8.8. Or your NTP source is set to the public NTP pools.

There is definitely a benefit in doing a "we are isolated" scenario test once in a while to prepare for such incidents...

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