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Re: U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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Post by KorematsuFred »

ufo wrote: post #14
prickledpear wrote: post #3

I'm trying to understand exactly what is changing. From the article are they just switching the order of the two lotteries? They aren't actually raising the number of visas offered, right? This just has the effect of allocating more of the 85,000 visas granted to those with a Master's degree or PhD, right? I'm sure the universities that heavily recruit international students to their graduate programs will love this.

Graduate students are either on F or J visas. The article is talking about H-1B visas.

20K visas are reserved for those who had F visa in past and completed a US masters degree.

Re: U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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Post by SteveNuts »

mc32 wrote: post #25
luckydata wrote: post #13

Honestly this is a good thing. Right now the H1B is a bullshit immigration program for cheap engineers from India and China designed to depress wages in silicon valley. A change is sorely needed, this is not big enough but it's definitely a step.

They should also work on a visa system for seasonal (low-skill) workers and enforce e-verify so that people don't skirt the system willy-nilly. We need foreign low skilled workers and they want to work, but we need to regulate that workforce so they don't undercut our native low-skills workforce by being unregulated and overwhelming the workforce with cheap unregulated labor.

How do you keep them from overstaying though?

Re: U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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Post by freddie_mercury »

bsder wrote: post #11
JacobJans wrote: post #6

Why is copyright infringement tolerated on HN?

Why are paywalled articles tolerated on HN? Personally, I would feel no loss if all paywalled articles were simply omitted.

People upvote the content they want to see. Implicitly, whether something is paywalled or not is already included in that judgment. What's more, people keep upvoting paywalled content because non-paywalled content isn't providing the same level of content. By not tolerating paywalled content you are making an explicit call for less content of the type that HN readers say they want to see.

You could make the argument that HN readers shouldn't upvote the things they are upvoting, that HN would be a better place if people didn't upvote the things they are upvoting, or that there might be a longer term benefit to be gained from accepting short term losses by eschewing paywalled articles. Those are all things people could argue.

But the fact that they show up on the front page with regular basis is explicit evidence that, even if you feel they have no value, other people do.

Re: U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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Post by [deleted] »

prickledpear wrote: post #3

I'm trying to understand exactly what is changing. From the article are they just switching the order of the two lotteries? They aren't actually raising the number of visas offered, right? This just has the effect of allocating more of the 85,000 visas granted to those with a Master's degree or PhD, right? I'm sure the universities that heavily recruit international students to their graduate programs will love this.

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Re: U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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Post by FakeComments »

SteveNuts wrote: post #32
mc32 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They should also work on a visa system for seasonal (low-skill) workers and enforce e-verify so that people don't skirt the system willy-nilly. We need foreign low skilled workers and they want to work, but we need to regulate that workforce so they don't undercut our native low-skills workforce by being unregulated and overwhelming the workforce with cheap unregulated labor.

How do you keep them from overstaying though?

E-verify flags them as not having valid work authorization when their visa expires.

If they reliably can’t find work when here illegally, then there’s less incentive to be here illegally.

Re: U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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Post by rangibaby »

mc32 wrote: post #25
luckydata wrote: post #13

Honestly this is a good thing. Right now the H1B is a bullshit immigration program for cheap engineers from India and China designed to depress wages in silicon valley. A change is sorely needed, this is not big enough but it's definitely a step.

They should also work on a visa system for seasonal (low-skill) workers and enforce e-verify so that people don't skirt the system willy-nilly. We need foreign low skilled workers and they want to work, but we need to regulate that workforce so they don't undercut our native low-skills workforce by being unregulated and overwhelming the workforce with cheap unregulated labor.

> We need foreign low skilled workers and they want to work, but we need to regulate that workforce so they don't undercut our native low-skills workforce by being unregulated and overwhelming the workforce with cheap unregulated labor.

That ship sailed some time ago to China or anywhere there is a sweatshop.

Re: U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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Post by ALittleLight »

SteveNuts wrote: post #32
mc32 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They should also work on a visa system for seasonal (low-skill) workers and enforce e-verify so that people don't skirt the system willy-nilly. We need foreign low skilled workers and they want to work, but we need to regulate that workforce so they don't undercut our native low-skills workforce by being unregulated and overwhelming the workforce with cheap unregulated labor.

How do you keep them from overstaying though?

e-verify. If they don't have a job and regular income it won't make sense for them to stay.

Re: U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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Post by donavanm »

mc32 wrote: post #25
luckydata wrote: post #13

Honestly this is a good thing. Right now the H1B is a bullshit immigration program for cheap engineers from India and China designed to depress wages in silicon valley. A change is sorely needed, this is not big enough but it's definitely a step.

They should also work on a visa system for seasonal (low-skill) workers and enforce e-verify so that people don't skirt the system willy-nilly. We need foreign low skilled workers and they want to work, but we need to regulate that workforce so they don't undercut our native low-skills workforce by being unregulated and overwhelming the workforce with cheap unregulated labor.

Isnt that literally the H2B visa?

Re: U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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Post by mc32 »

SteveNuts wrote: post #32
mc32 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They should also work on a visa system for seasonal (low-skill) workers and enforce e-verify so that people don't skirt the system willy-nilly. We need foreign low skilled workers and they want to work, but we need to regulate that workforce so they don't undercut our native low-skills workforce by being unregulated and overwhelming the workforce with cheap unregulated labor.

How do you keep them from overstaying though?

Punish employers with heavy fines for e-verify violations. If no one hires you, no reason to stick around. This is what Japan does, Korea, Taiwan, etc. The US is way lenient on illegal entry and accommodating to irregular workers. In many countries the only way you get around that is if you work with the local mobsters --so only highly risk taking indivs take that opportunity.

Re: U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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Post by reedhen32 »

luckydata wrote: post #13

Honestly this is a good thing. Right now the H1B is a bullshit immigration program for cheap engineers from India and China designed to depress wages in silicon valley. A change is sorely needed, this is not big enough but it's definitely a step.

What a weird world we live in though, where PhDs and Masters with a steady job still have to wait 7-10+ years for citizenship, while people can just flip over the fence in the southern border and get citizenship via asylum or birthing kids
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