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Microsoft Issues Windows 10 Upgrade Warning

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Re: Microsoft Issues Windows 10 Upgrade Warning

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Were they initially pushing that October update, or were those manual requests for update?

Pushing, without changing settings you got it.

Ah, ok. So did that radically affect how many people got it or just the demographic? I'm wondering who received the update before they pulled it vs who would have received it in a opt in environment.

Re: Microsoft Issues Windows 10 Upgrade Warning

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"at this time"

Exactly. Running Windows now is like playing roulette. How will this feature work in a month, "no idea". How will I change this option in the UI, "no idea". Will this option I set for important privacy setting stick after the latest (automatic) upgrade, "no idea. Ad infinitum. :/

It's like using a Google product.

Re: Microsoft Issues Windows 10 Upgrade Warning

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I'm always impressed by people's creative ability to put a negative spin on almost anything. Particularly to generate hate-clicks. In this case they're implementing Seamless Updates, which should substantially reduce downtime and improve roll-backs during update installation (a major complaint) but instead of focusing on the benefit, they focus on the disk space loss. The reason it takes up space on Windows, Android,…

it's a nice quality of life improvement unless you're running low on space. 7+ gb is a lot , especially on embedded devices with low soldered storage - like microsoft's own products! coincidentally instead of offering upgradeable internal storage they upsell really hard on the models with more storage in their surface lineup if anything, this should be a toggle- if only an opt-out toggle. fwiw, you can install a linu…

> fwiw, you can install a linux system including an entire graphical stack with web browser and mail client in that space, twice.

I think you could fit quite a few raspberry pi's with GUI environments into 7g.

The OEM and MS alliance has been going for some time now. MS promises HW push, and the OEM promise to sell hardware only with Windows. I am surprised they didn't round it up to 10G.

> if anything, this should be a toggle- if only an opt-out toggle.

I agree, but that doesn't help sell PC's.

ZFS snapshots would reduce the space requirements.

Re: Microsoft Issues Windows 10 Upgrade Warning

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I am glad that Windows is an opt-out of updates. We all know the majority of people never update anything. Personally I opt out and manually update my systems but most people just need it to happen.

I see it in my family and loved ones - while it's unfortunate that sometimes windows decides it really needs to restart RIGHT NOW, the fact that it's doing that is the only reason the PC is getting updated at all - they never turn them off and they never update on their own. There should absolutely be options for those of us who know enough to make the choice, but sometimes taking choice away seems like the better op…

Who cares if they never update? Chances are it isn't some critical vulnerability that gets them infected with the garbage software and malware you end up having to deal with anyway.

Put me firmly in the camp against removing control from the person sitting at the computer.

Re: Microsoft Issues Windows 10 Upgrade Warning

#36

I'm always impressed by people's creative ability to put a negative spin on almost anything. Particularly to generate hate-clicks. In this case they're implementing Seamless Updates, which should substantially reduce downtime and improve roll-backs during update installation (a major complaint) but instead of focusing on the benefit, they focus on the disk space loss. The reason it takes up space on Windows, Android,…

Had they approached the update issue with more care, people would have been more lenient.

Re: Microsoft Issues Windows 10 Upgrade Warning

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I can't answer this because the most likely location for the answer [1] is locked behind a beta program access or something, but where do they plan on taking the reserved storage from? I assume they're not going to try to repartition the drive? It sounds like they're just using filesystem features to carve it out of an existing partition, but I'd like to be sure. My laptop is currently dual-boot, but if Microsoft sta…

I have no clue either but my guess is that they will just use a sys file like hibernate or pagefile. Most people will never see it and those of us that peek at hidden, system files once in a while will most likely not be able to mess with it easily due to permissions.

At least I would hope they would do something like that, I agree a method which messed with partitions would be a complete show stopper!

Re: Microsoft Issues Windows 10 Upgrade Warning

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post #24

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I think the gripe was less about auto-updates than the fact that the OS allegedly un-set OP's attempt at opting out. Forgetting certain settings is annoying. Forgetting that I want to manually control when my computer downloads gigs of data to apply a patch that- in recent times especially- may very well brick my system... well, I can certainly understand where OP's frustration comes in. Even at one of my jobs a few…

I wouldn't call disabling the Windows Update service as "setting an option" that it's later forgotten. It's more of a thing an inexperienced user does by mistake while messing around. Windows does things behind you back, like magically restore system files if you manage to delete them, and so on, in an effort to keep running. But of course, some people are like "I deleted those files on purpose, so stay the damn out…

Windows also collects what pirated software you run and - on buisness success sells you out to the vendor of said software. Guess the crack did not work..

Re: Microsoft Issues Windows 10 Upgrade Warning

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I am glad that Windows is an opt-out of updates. We all know the majority of people never update anything. Personally I opt out and manually update my systems but most people just need it to happen.

Unless you buy Windows 10 Enterprise or Windows 2016 Server, you can't opt-out.
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