1 5 3 8 5 3
Is that a random number sequence? It depends where the data came from. Same goes for AI algorithms. Yes theres a risk of the data being biased, but the key is what goes in, not what comes out.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Is Absolutely Right About Racist Algorithms
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#32People with a nefarious agenda are always using tainted and biased "objective" data to support their racism. We been knew. The general populace just repeats the data like it is no big deal that much of the data is inaccurate. Once upon a time white people struggled to differentiate black people from animals.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
But it is possible to make one that is representatively fair first and foremost, with procedurally fair and utilitarianism at 2nd and 3rd priorities.
Yes, it is. But if you're designing an algorithm that assesses credit risk and you do this, you will lose money compared to a company that does not do this.
You might even cause a financial crisis along the lines of the 2008 disaster.
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#34I really wish people would at least skim the wikipedia page to figure out the vocabulary of the field they're about to opine on.
The left-progressive use of the word 'bias' is completely different than the way statisticians use the word.
If bias increases accuracy/precision, it's not bias.
The more interesting question is this - is it permissible for models to consider protected characteristics if those characteristics improve the performance of the model?
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#35She's partially right, the outcomes of algorithms can be considered racist...
https://www.google.com/search?q=american+inventors
I have not heard of most of these inventors. Perhaps there is a different perspective that influenced this algorithm than my perspective; probably SEO. In the case of SEO, it's more of a cultural battle between interested parties. Search Engines are the medium of this battle to game algorithms. Making the algorithms themselves consider race, making them racist, only puts the thumb on the scale for certain outcomes.
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#36There is no design of AI that can be simultaneously utilitarian, procedurally fair, and representatively fair. I'm going to repeat this again, since many people struggle with this. It is _literally impossible_ to achieve the best utilitarian outcome, the most procedurally fair outcome, and a representatively fair outcome. Anyone designing algorithms will have to make tradeoffs along this frontier. For a far better ar…
But it is possible to make one that is representatively fair first and foremost, with procedurally fair and utilitarianism at 2nd and 3rd priorities.
But you have to be sure the groups you are equalizing across are fair and valid and comprehensive groups.
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#37Ok. Lets assume this is true. (Note: I'm biased in that I accept this as true) So, as someone who has possibly implemented racist/sexist/ageist algorithms, how do I: 1. Detect if I'm running a said algorithm (whats the % racism/sexism/ageism I can do before bad?) 2. Run an open dataset to detect said problems 3. Prevent overfit with the proposed dataset from #2 4. Correct said algorithm to reduce bias What's my way f…
It did get flagged but I agree with your point on discussing it being important.
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#38A fun example... click this and scroll all the way down: https://www.faception.com/our-technology I need to start collecting a list to turn this into a proper Thing but I feel like whenever there's a way to use technology for evil there's a Tel Aviv startup that cranks it to 11.
Seems highly unlikely to ever work, but why assume the technology is evil? If you could create a system that had a high accuracy of detecting terrorists, then that would be a good system, not an evil one. I get your point that a system that claims to detect terrorists but only really detected Arabic people would be an evil one - but you're automatically calling the terrorist system evil without knowing if it really d…
Occam's razor. They are not 'scanning brain waves or some truly difficult method'. Not in this reality. You know it too. I didn't even have to suggest they built an Arab detector for you to bring it up ;)
I don't care about that hypothetical. Save it for your sci fi screenplay.
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#39Disparities in racial outcomes do not necessarily constitute racism. The author flippantly violates this by claiming the credit system to be racist, but the Equal Credit Opportunity Act has been in force since 1974. We know the factors that affect credit, some of them are income, payment history, loan balances, number of credit checks, etc.
> The author flippantly violates this by claiming the credit system to be racist, but the Equal Credit Opportunity Act has been in force since 1974.
Surely you're not arguing that the law instantly solved everything?
Countrywide - once the lender for 20% of mortgages - was dinged for violating the ECOA in 2011, so violations were clearly still occurring then, and are likely continuing today.
Add in the fact that redlining has multi-generational impact, too. Housing is one of the big ways families pass wealth down to their kids and you get potential racist impact due to past actions even if the current implementation is race-blind.
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#40The second half of the article that talks about Yudkowsky, rationalists, and Roko's Basilisk is absolute trash and a gross mischaracterization of the actual positions taken. >Yudkowski has for more than a decade pursued the possibility of perfect human reasoning His website is literally called "Less Wrong". It's fundamentally a quest for improvement , not perfection. >His system of coldly logical reason, it turned ou…
> "This is because of the regretful (but understandable) decision to censor discussion of it on Less Wrong, which backfired spectacularly."
Can you explain the (understandable) rationale behind Less Wrong censoring discussion of Roko's Basilisk? I've been lead to believe it was censored out of fear that discussing it could somehow inspire its actual creation.
Honestly from a distance Less Wrong has always struck me as vaguely cult-like, but I'm open to the possibility I've just gotten the wrong impression.