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After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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I honestly would not be surprised if the difference in effectiveness of targeted vs untargeted advertisement turns out to be none, negligible or even unfavorable to targeted. Sure, NYT is not enough data to be significant, especially when compensating for my confirmation bias, but I would really like to see more sites stop tracking, at least from an ethical standpoint.

This makes sense to me. If you are targeting me, I have told you I like it, and therefore don't need you to tell me about it.

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

#32

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Does this include "remarketing"? From what I read it's much more effective. For those that don't know, remarketing involves showing ads to only people who have visited your website, or interacted with your brand before. Is this considered targeted?

I always wonder if this really works? Amazon uses it a lot and all I get ads for are products that I already bought. Which is pointless.

I think what you're referring to is different or more advanced. Simple remarketing involves putting a tracking pixel on your website, and then your ads show only to those users on another platform such as Facebook. It usually (on the base level) does not include purchase history.

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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post #14

I honestly would not be surprised if the difference in effectiveness of targeted vs untargeted advertisement turns out to be none, negligible or even unfavorable to targeted. Sure, NYT is not enough data to be significant, especially when compensating for my confirmation bias, but I would really like to see more sites stop tracking, at least from an ethical standpoint.

most of the big websites can afford to stop tracking. The problem is that smaller / weird niche websites can't , and gdpr is disproportionally hurting them.

Source for this claim?

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

#34
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I hope that whole industry just dies and the hordes of wasted software engineers can instead be used on something that actually adds value to society.

And all the other software developers working on things directly and indirectly funded by that industry should what? Take up knitting?

Say what you want, but sweaters don't spy on people.

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

#35
I can't be the only one who thinks behavioral targeting is a bit creepy?

This has happened to me at least 3-4 times in the last 2 years: I go to a supermarket or a store that I have never been to, I do shopping and come back home. After a few hours, I pick up my phone to check Email/Facebook, only to find myself staring at an advert for a product that's sitting in my fridge.

I mean, come on... The first time this happened I thought it was a funny coincidence, but it has happened with products that I did not bring home either. I can't be the only one?

And this is my point precisely as to why behavioral ads suck. They make you realize just how much companies are spying on you and using your data to feed you crap. Would I really want to have any part in this kind of an endeavor? Let's be real here.

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always wonder if this really works? Amazon uses it a lot and all I get ads for are products that I already bought. Which is pointless.

I think what you're referring to is different or more advanced. Simple remarketing involves putting a tracking pixel on your website, and then your ads show only to those users on another platform such as Facebook. It usually (on the base level) does not include purchase history.

I think that's the exact problem to which GP poster is referring: tracking only knows about URLs visited but not purchase history. A visit to the product page "vacuum cleaner WheezyMatic 3K" will get you flagged as interested in that product and you'll get shown ads for it — even though you already bought it on the original site.

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

#37
post #14

I honestly would not be surprised if the difference in effectiveness of targeted vs untargeted advertisement turns out to be none, negligible or even unfavorable to targeted. Sure, NYT is not enough data to be significant, especially when compensating for my confirmation bias, but I would really like to see more sites stop tracking, at least from an ethical standpoint.

most of the big websites can afford to stop tracking. The problem is that smaller / weird niche websites can't , and gdpr is disproportionally hurting them.

Why do weird niche websites need more tracking? I'd assume their user base is way more specific, and thus can be targeted better without needing tracking. That I visit the NYT tells you way less about my interests than that I'm reading your blog about aquarium filters.

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does this include "remarketing"? From what I read it's much more effective. For those that don't know, remarketing involves showing ads to only people who have visited your website, or interacted with your brand before. Is this considered targeted?

I always wonder if this really works? Amazon uses it a lot and all I get ads for are products that I already bought. Which is pointless.

It is possible for advertisers to configure it so that this does not happen (in theory), but a lot simply do not bother.

I've seen some compelling case studies that it does work, and even at low conversion % for big-ticket items (like hotels etc) it's insanely cost effective.

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

#39

I honestly would not be surprised if the difference in effectiveness of targeted vs untargeted advertisement turns out to be none, negligible or even unfavorable to targeted. Sure, NYT is not enough data to be significant, especially when compensating for my confirmation bias, but I would really like to see more sites stop tracking, at least from an ethical standpoint.

This makes sense to me. If you are targeting me, I have told you I like it, and therefore don't need you to tell me about it.

Depends on how the targeting is done. You can be aware of a product but not looked into it or purchased it. In that case the targeting is trying to move you along to become a customer.

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope that whole industry just dies and the hordes of wasted software engineers can instead be used on something that actually adds value to society.

And all the other software developers working on things directly and indirectly funded by that industry should what? Take up knitting?

If you are working on propping up the ad industry I certainly won't lie awake at night if you are inconvenienced by it dying.
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