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EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Right to be Forgotten, GDPR, and now this... pretty soon the barrier to entry will be so high that no new players would be able to get off the ground with an internet company in Europe.

It almost seems like we're hell bent on suffocating what little amount of innovation we have left.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

#32
post #12

I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact: The EU is too far removed from reality to legislate. It now has a long and sordid history of over-doing things to the extreme. In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkled on buns. We had what felt like a complete shutdown of IT departm…

which is doubly ridiculous: cinnamon is actually one of the few parts (probably the only) of the cinnamon bun which is good for you: it's high in fiber and has been shown to have numerous health benefits.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

#33
post #11

It's alarming that there appears to be no provision for fair use of copyrighted materials. I'm not in the EU, but that would seem to be a grave oversight. One can imagine an image or any copyrightable material which might become offensive or embarrassing might get copyrighted so as to in effect censor the material.

Hm, well, education is an exception already, but political speech and comedy are not enumerated as exceptions. (Though I guess these things will be decided by the Courts eventually, as the Directive is about proportional remuneration).

Also, the proposal leaves intact other Directives, and it'll take a bit of work to figure out if all of these are in harmony, or if there's a conflict between the rules. (And if there which one prevails.)

"Except in the cases referred to in Article 6, this Directive shall leave intact and shall in no way affect existing rules laid down in the Directives currently in force in this area, in particular Directives 96/9/EC, 2001/29/EC, 2006/115/EC, 2009/24/EC, 2012/28/EU and 2014/26/EU."

for example 2001/29/EC is the WIPO copyright treaty [ratification] directive, which already protects political speech and parody/caricature. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Directive#Exceptions... )

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

#34
post #12

I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact: The EU is too far removed from reality to legislate. It now has a long and sordid history of over-doing things to the extreme. In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkled on buns. We had what felt like a complete shutdown of IT departm…

>I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact Well when you write obviously non factual nonsense like >The EU is the opposite: One giant thing which does nothing well You tend to get downvoted. When you write hilarious nonsense like this >In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkle…

It seems like the cinnamon patrol comment is related to this, which does seem to indicate the interpretation of an EU law is to blame:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/12/25/256602581/wh...

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

#35
post #8

Right to be Forgotten, GDPR, and now this... pretty soon the barrier to entry will be so high that no new players would be able to get off the ground with an internet company in Europe.

[citation needed]

Right to be Forgotten affects search engines. GDPR is common sense, allow users to delete their data. If you make aggregate data of your users and their behavior then it's not their data anymore.

Tax law is a lot more complicated yet never stopped anyone from innovating if there was an economic niche waiting for them.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

#36
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact Well when you write obviously non factual nonsense like >The EU is the opposite: One giant thing which does nothing well You tend to get downvoted. When you write hilarious nonsense like this >In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkle…

>You tend to get downvoted. When you write hilarious nonsense like this Can you name anything the EU has done well?

first Google hit for EU accomplishments: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/03/6-things-the-eu-has-a...

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

#37
post #12

I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact: The EU is too far removed from reality to legislate. It now has a long and sordid history of over-doing things to the extreme. In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkled on buns. We had what felt like a complete shutdown of IT departm…

> This particular kerfuffle comes because the Danish food authority recently classified kanelsnegler, or cinnamon rolls, as an everyday pastry

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/12/eu-worrie...

Sounds like this is more of a "Denmark problem" than an "EU problem", unless you think the EU should simply not legislate the use of products that can cause health issues when present in high quantities in food (in this case cinnamon)

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

#38
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkled on buns. Is this for real? I know it's anecdotal but I find it hilarious > I could write a list much longer, but in general I think the Unix approach works: Many small things that each do one thing well. The EU is the opposite: One giant thing which does nothing well Well...I'm sure man…

Yeah I'm afraid the example is quite real. But sure, example could be dug up of good things the EU have done. But even in those cases the cost is much too great. For instance, they built a really nice hallway at the Parliament, but when it came time to name it, they assigned 76 diplomats and the president of the EU to work through the name. That alone ended up costing something like 11 million euros. I can't think of…

> Not surprisingly, the EU has the lowest growth rate in the world.

What would be the growth rate without the single market?

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

#39
post #12

I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact: The EU is too far removed from reality to legislate. It now has a long and sordid history of over-doing things to the extreme. In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkled on buns. We had what felt like a complete shutdown of IT departm…

> This particular kerfuffle comes because the Danish food authority recently classified kanelsnegler, or cinnamon rolls, as an everyday pastry https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/12/eu-worrie... Sounds like this is more of a "Denmark problem" than an "EU problem", unless you think the EU should simply not legislate the use of products that can cause health issues when present in high quantities in food (i…

How ever does the US survive this cinnamon overdose epidemic?

The reaction to a bad regulation being passed shouldn't be "oh, well, the government can just exempt your specific product from that regulation".

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

#40
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact Well when you write obviously non factual nonsense like >The EU is the opposite: One giant thing which does nothing well You tend to get downvoted. When you write hilarious nonsense like this >In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkle…

It seems like the cinnamon patrol comment is related to this, which does seem to indicate the interpretation of an EU law is to blame: https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/12/25/256602581/wh...

It seems like the EU explicitly made it so the cinnamon rolls wouldn't be affected:

> The EU's regulations on a common type of cinnamon called cassia limit how much bakers can use: 50 milligrams per kilogram of dough, if it's a traditional or seasonal pastry, or 15 milligrams per kilogram if it's just a regular old everyday pastry.

But the Denmark decided their traditional seasonal pastry was an everyday one

> This particular kerfuffle comes because the Danish food authority recently classified kanelsnegler, or cinnamon rolls, as an everyday pastry

So really this is the "fault" of the Danish government, isn't it?

Source for quotes: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/12/eu-worrie...

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