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Re: IntelliJ IDEA and PyCharm Running on Haiku

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Post by kitsunesoba » Sun, Jan 13, 2019, 3:35 AM UTC

scroot wrote: post #29

quink wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Functional, cohesive and pretty. I’m more than happy if the former two are done and dusted and my experience with BeOS and since on the former two has been pretty good. If something is pretty but not functional, people won’t use it. If something is functional but not pretty, it’ll get used nevertheless. People might say it’s a false dichotomy but GNOME 3 and early Windows 8 are substantial examples of the opposite. W…

The BeOS and Platinum interfaces are among the best ever created

It’s crazy to me that there are no Linux DEs dedicated to creating a faithful reproduction of the Platinum era Mac desktop. One can configure XFCE or MATE to get something vaguely similar, but it’s really not the same.

Would like to try my hand at building something like that myself, but X on top of being phased out is a strange beast to learn and there’s practically no material on writing something for Wayland.

Re: IntelliJ IDEA and PyCharm Running on Haiku

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Post by taneq » Sun, Jan 13, 2019, 3:43 AM UTC

Klover wrote: post #24

raitucarp wrote: post #14

Awesome. But, I suggest Haiku people need hire ui/ux for their default theme/window. It will sure attract more user to try this OS as alternative.

So I know dang watches the content of comments to see if they’re up to the guidelines, but does dang also look at excessive downvotes? The comment here is greyed out, something that should only be reserved for highly offensive comments. Which this is not...

AFAIK voting is purely down to user's discretion, so sometimes you do see posts get hammered by the 'downvote = disagree' mob, but it doesn't happen that often.

Re: IntelliJ IDEA and PyCharm Running on Haiku

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Post by scroot » Sun, Jan 13, 2019, 3:46 AM UTC

kitsunesoba wrote: post #31

scroot wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The BeOS and Platinum interfaces are among the best ever created

It’s crazy to me that there are no Linux DEs dedicated to creating a faithful reproduction of the Platinum era Mac desktop. One can configure XFCE or MATE to get something vaguely similar, but it’s really not the same. Would like to try my hand at building something like that myself, but X on top of being phased out is a strange beast to learn and there’s practically no material on writing something for Wayland.

There's one setup that I've used with XFCE before, but it's not perfect.

I've been working on and off implementing some Platinum stuff in Pharo's upcoming new graphics layer (called Bloc) and these have come out OK. That's where I'd really like to use it -- my whole desktop can be like Hypercard

Re: IntelliJ IDEA and PyCharm Running on Haiku

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Post by bepvte » Sun, Jan 13, 2019, 3:54 AM UTC

arthurcolle wrote: post #28

I just downloaded the .iso and couldn't get WebPositive to return any web pages. I also ran a few web searches and couldn't figure out what the command is to install new packages. Just making some observations. It seems like a very performant and simple OS (which is a welcome alternative compared to macOS) but these are pretty glaring problems for a user starting out. For a project that's been around for over a decad…

I think the search problem is more your search engines fault for not pointing you to the official docs

Re: IntelliJ IDEA and PyCharm Running on Haiku

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Post by zapzupnz » Sun, Jan 13, 2019, 4:05 AM UTC

agildehaus wrote: post #20

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #18

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> We need an open-source operating system 100% focused on the desktop. I agree. In my opinion though, Haiku's insistence on becoming just another platform to run your UNIX software stack on means it will probably never succeed at that goal.

How is it different than macOS?

I think macOS/Mac OS X was always known for fantastic Mac-specific software as opposed to just ports of user apps from, say, Linux — probably because Mac OS X was the successor to Mac OS 9.

So Mac OS X inherited one userbase that appreciated platform-specific software. Haiku doesn't really have anything to inherit like that so until people start making Haiku-specific software, that could be an issue for seeing great Haiku software rather than just ports.

Re: IntelliJ IDEA and PyCharm Running on Haiku

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Post by newnewpdro » Sun, Jan 13, 2019, 4:42 AM UTC

raitucarp wrote: post #14

Awesome. But, I suggest Haiku people need hire ui/ux for their default theme/window. It will sure attract more user to try this OS as alternative.

You're probably being downvoted because Haiku is kind of by definition supposed to look like BeOS.

But I do think you're right in that if BeOS had survived, it would not look like that in 2019. It's probably time for Haiku to start evolving the UI/UX to keep current as the spiritual successor of BeOS.

Re: IntelliJ IDEA and PyCharm Running on Haiku

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Post by waddlesplash » Sun, Jan 13, 2019, 4:52 AM UTC

arthurcolle wrote: post #28

I just downloaded the .iso and couldn't get WebPositive to return any web pages. I also ran a few web searches and couldn't figure out what the command is to install new packages. Just making some observations. It seems like a very performant and simple OS (which is a welcome alternative compared to macOS) but these are pretty glaring problems for a user starting out. For a project that's been around for over a decad…

The GUI package manager is "HaikuDepot" and the command-line tool is "pkgman". HaikuDepot is documented in the Userguide: https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/applications/haik... Dunno why no search engines took you to it.

Also dunno why WebPositive wouldn't do anything for you. It's still a little buggy, but it usually works well enough for my purposes...

Re: IntelliJ IDEA and PyCharm Running on Haiku

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Post by bibyte » Sun, Jan 13, 2019, 4:59 AM UTC

That's really impressive. I hope they continue to port more software.

Re: IntelliJ IDEA and PyCharm Running on Haiku

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet » Sun, Jan 13, 2019, 5:10 AM UTC

waddlesplash wrote: post #21

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We need an open-source operating system 100% focused on the desktop. I agree. In my opinion though, Haiku's insistence on becoming just another platform to run your UNIX software stack on means it will probably never succeed at that goal.

In case you haven't noticed, a majority of people on Windows or macOS use software that was originally part of the "UNIX software stack" -- between SSH, bash, GCC, FFmpeg, etc. I am pretty sure you could find at least one piece of "originally UNIX" software that at least a majority of programmers using any given OS use. Anyway, I think you miss the point of Haiku if you think it'll never get anywhere because of how m…

I've had this argument with you before and I'm not really interested in having it again. Suffice it to say that I have a different idea of what a personal computer should be than you or the parts of the Haiku community who are left.

Re: IntelliJ IDEA and PyCharm Running on Haiku

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jan 13, 2019, 5:35 AM UTC

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #39

waddlesplash wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In case you haven't noticed, a majority of people on Windows or macOS use software that was originally part of the "UNIX software stack" -- between SSH, bash, GCC, FFmpeg, etc. I am pretty sure you could find at least one piece of "originally UNIX" software that at least a majority of programmers using any given OS use. Anyway, I think you miss the point of Haiku if you think it'll never get anywhere because of how m…

I've had this argument with you before and I'm not really interested in having it again. Suffice it to say that I have a different idea of what a personal computer should be than you or the parts of the Haiku community who are left.

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