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We won a CES robotics innovation award, then they took it back

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Re: We won a CES robotics innovation award, then they took it back

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Post by noptd »

jeroenhd wrote: post #27

As impressive as this toy sounds, I don't see how it is related to robotics. The comparison between a vibrator and a full sex robot does not make sense to me; a sex bot needs to articulate joints and show human expressions, a vibrator needs to make some ver slight movements in very specific places. I don't blame the author for being upset about this because I can't see a reason to retract the submission to the contes…

Agreed, this seems like a blatant attempt at co-oping the empowerment movement in order to boost their bottom line.

According to Fortune (http://fortune.com/2019/01/09/the-ose-toy-ces2019/), CES responded to the author two months ago. If this is truly about airing grievances about losing the award, why wait until now to publish a respose?

Re: We won a CES robotics innovation award, then they took it back

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Post by aboutruby »

noptd wrote: post #31
jeroenhd wrote: post #27

As impressive as this toy sounds, I don't see how it is related to robotics. The comparison between a vibrator and a full sex robot does not make sense to me; a sex bot needs to articulate joints and show human expressions, a vibrator needs to make some ver slight movements in very specific places. I don't blame the author for being upset about this because I can't see a reason to retract the submission to the contes…

Agreed, this seems like a blatant attempt at co-oping the empowerment movement in order to boost their bottom line. According to Fortune ( http://fortune.com/2019/01/09/the-ose-toy-ces2019/ ), CES responded to the author two months ago. If this is truly about airing grievances about losing the award, why wait until now to publish a respose?

I think it's because it made the frontpage of reddit

Re: We won a CES robotics innovation award, then they took it back

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Post by t4sk1n »

icebraining wrote: post #21
t4sk1n wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But making such opening statements questions their integrity

Their integrity is irrelevant when you have the facts and can judge the behavior of CES for yourself.

But while examining this article, it should make people question everything that's implied

Re: We won a CES robotics innovation award, then they took it back

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Post by foldr »

noptd wrote: post #24
fermienrico wrote: post #4

I’m trying to link the accusation of gender bias and LGBT rights with the act of conceding the Innovation Award. Looks like their reason is that “it does not fall under Robotics category” which the article debates well. But, what actions and indications lead to gender bias? If I am a woman and I get rejected from a job, I don’t immediately start accusing the interviewer of gender bias. It hurts the cause for real iss…

I absolutely agree- every major cause tends to attract those who wish to capitalize off of it for their own gain, and all it does is provide fodder for those who are looking for reasons to detract from the movement. According to the Fortune article ( http://fortune.com/2019/01/09/the-ose-toy-ces2019/ ), they were notified around two months ago- why publish a response now? Seems more of a strategic PR play in the news…

If the timing is a PR play, it doesn't follow that they're wrong about the sexism.

Re: We won a CES robotics innovation award, then they took it back

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Post by foldr »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #17
jakobegger wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the article, they aren't allowed to exhibit their sex toy for women at CES, while a sex doll for men and VR porn targeted at men are on display. There may be other explanations, but it does look like a bit of a double standard.

The previous sex toy that won an award was for women, from OhMiBod, founded by a woman. This is just a weak attempt to create controversy. It has nothing to do with them being women and that’s a silly first assumption. If you go to the OhMiBod website, they have a big ad up boasting of their CES 2019 presence, including their all-female lineup of vibrators. “The company’s experience contrasts starkly with the way CTA…

>The previous sex toy that won an award was for women, from OhMiBod, founded by a woman

So...this completely undermines CES's revised story (that they can't give the Lora DiCarlo toy an award because there's no category for sex toys).

The fact that CES has given two separate reasons for this decision, neither of which makes sense, isn't exactly making them look good.

Re: We won a CES robotics innovation award, then they took it back

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Post by vilda »

jeroenhd wrote: post #27

As impressive as this toy sounds, I don't see how it is related to robotics. The comparison between a vibrator and a full sex robot does not make sense to me; a sex bot needs to articulate joints and show human expressions, a vibrator needs to make some ver slight movements in very specific places. I don't blame the author for being upset about this because I can't see a reason to retract the submission to the contes…

To add, there's not much inclusivity in a company of single female-only product, in a market of overwhelmingly female-oriented products. Doesn't that fit into "majority" category?

Has there been any inovation for men toys?

Re: We won a CES robotics innovation award, then they took it back

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Post by jeroenhd »

undecisive wrote: post #30
jeroenhd wrote: post #27

As impressive as this toy sounds, I don't see how it is related to robotics. The comparison between a vibrator and a full sex robot does not make sense to me; a sex bot needs to articulate joints and show human expressions, a vibrator needs to make some ver slight movements in very specific places. I don't blame the author for being upset about this because I can't see a reason to retract the submission to the contes…

That sounds plausible. And I think if the first communication on the matter had been about the difference between robots and devices containing robotics technology, that would be correct. However the first communication (according to the original post) was about indecent / not in keeping with CES image. The "Oh well, it's not even a real robot" seems like an afterthought. So not really a "baseless claim". A stretch,…

To me the first response sounds very much like a canned PR response written by someone with little knowledge of what goes on inside CES. CES has allowed vibrators before so I don't see why they wouldn't stroke with policy now. As another comment in this thread states, OhMiBod has been showcased for years.

I think at first someone at the top (or middle management) just said "that's not relevant, someone get that project out of here", which got passed down the chain of the company to some intern writing a standard email with a useless explanation. Then, when that blew up, an actual response was formed by the PR department, then by the top of the company, complicated further by the authors of this piece contacting people unrelated to either statement and getting another explanation from them. Just a corporate communications cluster fuck.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" and all that.

Re: We won a CES robotics innovation award, then they took it back

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Post by saagarjha »

vilda wrote: post #36
jeroenhd wrote: post #27

As impressive as this toy sounds, I don't see how it is related to robotics. The comparison between a vibrator and a full sex robot does not make sense to me; a sex bot needs to articulate joints and show human expressions, a vibrator needs to make some ver slight movements in very specific places. I don't blame the author for being upset about this because I can't see a reason to retract the submission to the contes…

To add, there's not much inclusivity in a company of single female-only product, in a market of overwhelmingly female-oriented products. Doesn't that fit into "majority" category? Has there been any inovation for men toys?

> a market of overwhelmingly female-oriented products

What market are you talking about? This claim seems pretty dubious.

> Has there been any inovation for men toys?

See: CES.

Re: We won a CES robotics innovation award, then they took it back

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Post by DanBC »

aboutruby wrote: post #32
noptd wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, this seems like a blatant attempt at co-oping the empowerment movement in order to boost their bottom line. According to Fortune ( http://fortune.com/2019/01/09/the-ose-toy-ces2019/ ), CES responded to the author two months ago. If this is truly about airing grievances about losing the award, why wait until now to publish a respose?

I think it's because it made the frontpage of reddit

It made the Guardian where I read it. HN asks people to submit the original article, which is why I submitted this.
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